Wait, you mean the revolution isn’t just arguing online and designing posters? Devastating news.
Boomer slop.
Thanks babe
OK Boomer
That flag doesn’t exist anymore.
If Rhodesia, the Confederate States of America, and the Third Reich can live forever in the hearts of the far right, PizzaKentuckyBell can live forever in mine.
You’re not exactly putting the KenTacoHut in good company there.
Wait, being directly cited as not being akin to the three states I listed is a bad thing?
I couldn’t disagree more.
That’s not what you did. If that’s what you were trying you may want to give it another pass.
Frankly, I very much believe this is a reading issue more than a writing issue, but I do agree the solution is “give it another pass.”
Right now we have a data set of 1/1 that had issues comprehending what I meant. When both sides of that number tick up, we can talk about the data tending towards that it was poorly written.
Is this meant to suggest that reactionaries aren’t work-shy as hell? That would be a lie. They all want some bullshit media career as much as any liberal.
Lol @ the people propping up the system with “passive income” making accusations
No idea what that means
It means that between communism and capitalism there’s exactly one option that says being paid for labor someone else did is fine and one that doesn’t
… Both of them though?
One based on investments, the other based on being unable to work. From each according to their abilities and all that.
Not that it’s a bad thing. To some degree we already do it in most sane capitalist countries too.
“To each according to their need” doesn’t necessarily mean pay, you could just provide housing and food directly to people who can’t otherwise afford it. Passive income necessarily requires exploitation and accounts for neither need nor ability.
Which one?
Good, physical labor is the worst. Don’t reply if you’ve never depended on it for your income
It’s certainly worse if you work non union
Yeah join a union regardless. They need numbers to negotiate.
I worked for a “family” paving company for 7 years. Worst 7 years of my life. Even 5 years later in still dealing with the backlog of health problems I accumulated working there
Heh, lot of good that did you in the USSR/Mao era China
I have and still do. Still prefer it to an office job filling out TPS reports.
I’m genuinely happy for you
Depends on the physical labor. Pushing boxes out of trucks in an air conditioned building is fine. Hauling steel out in the hot sun sucks.
Ah BabylonBee, The Onion for conservatards
No joke, I got dog piled off this site for using that last word you used. We’re so busy purity testing ourselves instead of just attacking the right in an organized fashion.
Wait you mean that I can’t tell people to kill themselves here? Shameful 😔😔😔
I judge memes by the content of their image not the color of their watermark.
The One™ MLK quote.
I’ve worked back to back 60’s at Amazon, what the hell do you think made me a communist?
Sounds like you just dont want to work. You know when I was your age…
Nowhere else have I felt more like the “Resource” part of “Human Resources”
Propaganda
No, that’s what had made me a liberal before lol.
It’s very funny to blame “communist propaganda” when all my schooling was from a capitalist perspective. I never even knew what communism was until I searched for alternatives because of being dissatisfied with the existing system.
If you think communism is a solution to your problems, you’re dead wrong. You’ve been told things you wanted to hear, not the truth how communist state looks like in real life.
“Been told” lol. I’m reminded of back in high school when I told my parents I thought gay people should have rights and they responded “who’s putting these crazy ideas into your head?” It is, in fact, possible for me to come to conclusions on my own.
I remember my father telling me how he miraculously managed to get permit to leave the country in the 80s to work in capitalist Europe. He returned with insane fortune of like, $500, which he later spent on paying off mortgage when system fell apart in the 90s.
It’s tragic that your family had to spend that money on a mortgage because the state that provided free (or heavily subsidized) housing collapsed. Fucking capitalism, amirite?
state that provided free (or heavily subsidized) housing
You weren’t getting any housing in that system. You could enlist in a queue and wait for 20-30 years to get piss poor commie block apartment. My father was one of very few people who were just well enough for building a house. He was struggling with money, rationing of materials, corruption and poor quality of work, while our family of four lived in 20m2 apartment like animals in stables.
He returned with insane fortune of like, $500
So, communist countries are affordable and $500 can buy you a lot of things?
No. They’re so poor that $500 looks like a fortune
So he spent all of it on the failings of capitalism in the 90s?
Transformation just uncovered all the lies and sins of previous communist system. Once state run enterprises were allowed to file banktruptcy 30% of them failed immediately. Country was also hit by hyperinflation like a hammer because previous system was printing money like crazy and “fixing” it by price controls and food rationing.
Right now, I’d pick physical labour over IT. I’m sick of being attached to a desk 12h a day looking at a screen and making some predatorial company richer.
I’d rather be cleaning up my neighborhood, planting flowers in the park, or working at an animal shelter or the local soup kitchen. Actually making a fucking difference in society.
fellow IT worker here …
The sickle and hammer are not representative of planting some flowers in a garden.
If you’ve never done any real farming, I recommend you try it even for a day to learn a whole new appreciation for our modern way of life. It is brutal backbreaking work … and so were most industrial jobs from the era of soviet communism.
Thank god for modernization, but I also agree on the despair of being a slave for an ultra rich asshole. I’m dealing with it by starting a corp with a couple of buddies that is owned by us and doing some work on the side … hopefully this can eventually free us from the chains.
It is brutal backbreaking work … and so were most industrial jobs from the era of soviet communism
Those jobs still exist, you just outsource them to Pakistan and India.
It’s supposed to represent labor in general, whatever the means of which you provide it. People are needed in all roles in a communal society.
As much as everyone would rather do meaningful things with their time, communist societies need ditchdiggers too!
Construction and manufacturing takes all types, no experience needed, but I found factory work to be a great motivator to get into IT. Grass is always greener, I suppose
I think the big issue is lack of variance in your work. Human brains need different stimuli. S o if you do only one type of work all the time, you want something different after a while and yearn for another extreme.
Problem is: that runs counter to taylorism.
communist societies need ditchdiggers too!
I gladly dig ditches, if it’s not the only thing I do.
Each 5 years you can change job so. That would be a great idea for domes.
I wouldn’t have an issue with my field if it wasn’t grossly dominated by companies in the banking and commerce sector.
Former ditch digger turned office worker. I miss the ditch digging sometimes. My body never does.
Yeah some people think that in a communist society that they will suddenly do other jobs like working in an animal shelter. Nope if you work in IT now you’d still be in IT under communism. The commune still needs to keep their IT infrastructure running and the people with IT skills get assigned to do that.
I honestly just wish the capitalist number min-maxing to keep shareholders happy would finally stop. In the last 8 years the time I spent doing “accounting work” has increased from 10% of my total to almost 50%.
Yeah, some people will need retraining, especially the managerial class. But for the most part, if my country had a peaceful and sudden communist revolution tomorrow, I’d be clocking in on Thursday with the same engineering job and asking what’s changing now that we’re under new management.
That’s the problem with all politics. People don’t like the status quo and so vote for “not this” without considering the ill effects of what they’re voting for, or historical precedent. It’s how we ended up with Trump twice, it’s how we ended up with Brexit, and it’s not going away any time soon.
This is why I think any shift to the left will still go poorly. The ignorance is still there. The misinformation is still there. It will be used for negative ends by bad-faith actors like everything else.
Everything goes poorly, always. Not shifting for the left means horrible things done poorly. Shifting to the left means at least good things done poorly, that’s not a meaningless difference.
Just be realistic with the goals of your movement and you won’t disappoint anyone - see Mamdani.
I agree.
Physical labor as in laboring. There are plenty of jobs go ahead wreck your body if you want. Nobody is forcing you to work in IT
What’s stopping you? Plenty of places are looking for volunteers.
I volunteer and work. One of them pays and the other doesn’t.
“what’s stopping you from quitting your work that you need to survive?”
You can work and volunteer
Volunteering doesn’t put food on the table sadly.
Gotta work to live so I can then donate time to other things. If there was a way to live sustainably off improving the local area that would be fantastic. But there just isn’t in any real sense.
This 👆
You can just do it.
Guys, they are Communists, not Amish.
Young Capitalist Trying To Prove He Isn’t Above Physical Labor Gets Ghosted In 250 Job Applications
You claim you’re not a capitalist, and yet you use upper-case letters at the start of every sentence.
Pro tip: Speak As Through Everything You Have To Say Is HEADLINE NEWS
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Sorry, wrong place.
“You need 2 years of experience for this entry-level ditch digging job”
“Also we’re just doing this to make HR happy, we’re already gonna hire my nephew.”
Gang shit
Imagine living in a world where your value as a person isn’t tied to how physically exploitable you are.
Hey now! Under capitalism, your value as a person is tied to how aggressively you exploit others.
That has not been my experience. Nobody is demanding that of me. Just physical exploitation, from all corners.
Yes, because capitalism does not value you. You aren’t a capitalist.
Capitalism doesn’t value anything. It is the codification of one of several ways of life we can only understand by observing human beings whose behavior is antithetical to the survival and advancement of our species. It is an evolutionary and ideological dead end, the same as the genetic lineage of any creature born with the compulsion to commit suicide from birth. People can choose to do better so it’s not a matter of genocide to do away with it. It’s ideocide. All instances of this system of thought must be done away with, and future generations warned about the consequences of ever allowing it to regain a foothold in the noosphere.
I would say it values anything that enables the growth of capital. That can include people. However, I do agree that it is inherently indifferent to human life.
I get where you’re coming from but I do feel the need to point out that you’re ascribing held values to an ideology. It’s not a person, it can’t value anything. As an ideology it is valuable to people whose values prioritize self-enablement at all costs.
Interesting point. I think you’re right. It’s a system, not a sentient being, it can’t really have values. Thx for the interesting point.
If you just bullied the fuck out of people, maybe you’d be able to pull yourself using their bootstraps
That behavior is encouraged, and the circumstances that give rise to it cultivated, by people who subscribe to that worldview. Because it justifies their choices to throw the many under the bus for the desires (not needs but mere desires) of the few.
It all comes back to exploitation; the rest is just what it takes to sustain it.
Luckily for me I get exploited physically and mentally. I strive to one day only be exploited mentally.
Living the dream!
One, two, liberals coming for you …
Three, four, getting lynched by the poor…
Imagine
What other meaning would they have?
I mean, they represent physical labor, in the sense that one physically uses a hammer and a sickle as tools. But the reason communists pair those symbols together is because they represent the class alliance of industrial workers, and rural peasants.
This is a repost of bad conservative Onion ripoff, The Babylon Bee, though. So I expect only the most shallow, baby-brained, “jokes” your average chud could muster
I also like the sextant the GDR added to represent knowledge workers.
This is a repost of bad conservative Onion ripoff, The Babylon Bee, though. So I expect only the most shallow, baby-brained, “jokes” your average chud could muster
Context matters. Could have been funny, if it were a self-deprecating joke. But now I think “ah, they don’t know what they’re talking about”.
That’s a compass (math kind not navigation kind) not a sextant. A sextant would be more likely to represent the mercantile class than knowledge workers. But yeah I love their symbol because it really shines as a symbol for German communism by including a tool associated with engineers.
Remembered it wrong. Also still not used to the english word for that device.
Why haven’t you posted anything better? Classic .ML do a lot of complaining and interject moral superiority while doing nothing of substance. I’m out here breaking my back harvesting memes to bring back like slop for the pig trough. 4 count em FOUR group chats among different friend groups that share memes. Plus tertiary collection. I save AND post them. By the sweat of my brow I share a minor chuckle or quick exhale from the nose followed by a slight smile and head shake. This is what I do for you. Yet, this is how you repay me?
Four group chats and the best you’ve got is some Facebook boomer shit??
Idk a Lil ragebait in the shitpost community is absolutely perfect for me on occasion. Still waiting to hear why you don’t post sick ass memes…
Bro these are fucking cringe hahaha
Helllllll yeah that’s the idea lmao
Man, if only you had posted a sixth shit meme, it would have really helped turn the comment around.
Have I earned your respect yet?
What’s up?
I’m a communist and don’t want to break my back using a sickle to harvest crops, but also no one does except people watching trad content and romanticizing it. This is why we’ve automated most of the hard manual labor in developed countries.
We really need to update the symbol, besides all the baggage with the USSR it’s just out of date. Maybe on 1920s Russia most people were working with a hammer and sickle, and a lot of people still do to this day in less developed countries, but the meme is right, you ask your average Gen z in the developed world what the symbol means they’ll shrug and say idk.
That’s part of why I like the symbol of the DDR. Sure hammers and compasses are outdated, but they’re easy symbols for labor still vital, and instead of a sickle there’s sheaths of wheat
Mozambique has you covered
So Mozambique is a rapper? Represented by hoes and automatic weapons?
And Madd Dogg’s rhyme book!
You’re right, a Combine Harvester and a Floppy Disk
Funny you should choose the sickle over the hammer. In industrialized nations commodity crops like wheat, soy, corn, and rice are predominantly mechanically harvested. But tree fruit, berries, and a lot of veggies remain hand-picked or have a mixed manual/mechanical harvesting method that’s much more labor intensive than a combine mowing down endless acres of wheat.
The hammer however has seen a massive decline in full time use across construction sites in developed nations. It’s still a useful tool and most workers carry one, but pneumatic nail guns dominate new construction in developed countries that use wood as their base material.
I’d also push back on your claim that hard manual labor in developed nations is automated. Mechanically assisted to varying levels, like a pneumatic nail gun instead of a hammer, or a haybaler instead of a sickle and building a stack, but it’s still got humans putting hours of physical effort into using those machines to achieve the finished product. There’s people behind home construction or remodels, strawberry picking, road construction, and wildland fire fighting to name a few.
…i used a framing hammer to build a wood fence last weekend; it felt good but also surprisingly old-fashioned by comparison to the nail gun the builder used for the original construction…
As the narrator says “the future farmer might not be holding a shovel, they might be holding a remote control”. Technology changes the means by which the humans do the labor, but there’s still a human behind the machine, not an automaton.
The difference is how and why AI labor is utilized from one nation to another.
DJI is not marketing their ag drones as fully automated (source is their most recent annual report with other shots from their website) but as tool for labor reduction, precision, and for efficiency in applications like seeding/chemical dispersal, aerial surveillance, load carrying, and time saving.
Operators use software to plot their routes and remain present during use.
While they do discuss automated assistance and there is potential for refining such technology, there still remains a human component.
AI does have great potential for not only reducing the demand on human physical labor, it also has promise for reducing the amount of toxic byproducts that end up in the environment due to the demands of mass agriculture. Carbon AI is a Large Plant Model that can currently identify over 150 million weeds in real time and uses precision laser blasts to kill them. However, even this is not currently a fully automated process as the machine requires human operation.
Yes. And?
Your example is not AI labor, it’s a modern technological tool that improves efficiency while decreasing the physical toll on human workers that agriculture has historically taken. It’s also not a technology limited to a single country. DJI sells ag drones worldwide and their website highlites the success of their product in Brazil, Mexico, and the recent policy shifts in FAA regulations in the states to allow American farmers to adopt this tech. It’s a fantastic advancement but it’s not even close to eliminating human labor.
Critical support for your demons
And compare yourself to G-d. Textbook case
This is “the temptation of saint Anthony” that’s not God its a human man being tested. Study more art and scripture, say less dumb shit.
The feels when some countries do forced labor to hand pick cotton for the higher quality
Make it a tractor.
The engineers can design tractors. And trains.
straight from facebook, what a post.
Thank you
