Yes, obviously its the fault of the individuals who were living somewhere and got a better job further away.
Clearly the problem is that, and nothing else.
Also, at no point was I discussing driving a car.
Edit: Actually, I did mention driving further away to a bus or train and parking there, so yes, I did mention driving a car. But not for the commute itself.
You found blame that was not there. The fault is with the car-centric design of our society and the false convenience of driving, not with the people taking jobs where they can get them.
When you put it to “no one should be driving an hour by car” in a discussion about the more than doubling price of bus fare for bus commuting, I’m going to find it very hard to understand what youre trying to say.
And considering you commented on a person driving for an hour, rather than on the rapidly increasing commuting costs for all commuters, or the larger issues driving those increases, I’m going to find it real hard to believe youre doing anything but putting blame on an individual.
That’s fair. I’d have perhaps phrased it more clearly as “society should put no one in a position where they feel that they must travel 60 miles [an hour by car] twice daily for work” but that feels a bit unwieldy.
I’d say thats generally more of a larger issue, yeah.
But just to mention, in the NYC area, just 3 miles outside of NYC can take an hour all by itself.
Either way - fuel costs are impacting mass transit riders too. Saying “just take the bus instead” helps no one when those bus costs are rapidly rising as well. And the same goes for trains when not all of them are electrified for the full run.
The effect of fuel costs on mass transit is much smaller than on personal motor vehicles though. So yeah, “just take the bus” is a pretty big step in the right direction, relatively speaking.
‘It’s literally going to break me.’ Commuting is now unaffordable for some American workers
Here is my first comment:
Given the cost of fuel, a bus pass for me (if I still had to commute, I work from home now) for a month is now just over $800/mo.
6 years ago, that was $375/mo.
I don’t think the issue is limited to car drivers, I suspect more than a few folks who took public transit with me are looking at a pretty impactful monthly cost.
So no, its not. Its a massively increasing cost that is continuing to trend upward.
Its about as helpful to folks who are being impacted by this as “Just don’t go to work!” or “Ride a bike for 50 miles each way every day, problem solved!”
What “just take the bus” does is shift the blame onto the individual being impacted, made worse by the fact that many of those impacted by these rising costs are already taking mass transit. This isn’t a “car” problem. This is a “commuter” problem.
Given the cost of fuel, a bus pass for me (if I still had to commute, I work from home now) for a month is now just over $800/mo. 6 years ago, that was $375/mo.
And you think that the fare increase there is driven by fuel costs alone? Or even that fuel cost is in any way a significant portion of the change?
No I was saying everyone should quit their impractical far drive jobs and build rail lines outside their front doors on spec with their savings instead of paying rent don’t put words in my mouth!
Well, that’s the core problem. No one should be commuting for an hour by car.
Yes, obviously its the fault of the individuals who were living somewhere and got a better job further away.
Clearly the problem is that, and nothing else.
Also, at no point was I discussing driving a car.
Edit: Actually, I did mention driving further away to a bus or train and parking there, so yes, I did mention driving a car. But not for the commute itself.
You found blame that was not there. The fault is with the car-centric design of our society and the false convenience of driving, not with the people taking jobs where they can get them.
When you put it to “no one should be driving an hour by car” in a discussion about the more than doubling price of bus fare for bus commuting, I’m going to find it very hard to understand what youre trying to say.
And considering you commented on a person driving for an hour, rather than on the rapidly increasing commuting costs for all commuters, or the larger issues driving those increases, I’m going to find it real hard to believe youre doing anything but putting blame on an individual.
That’s fair. I’d have perhaps phrased it more clearly as “society should put no one in a position where they feel that they must travel 60 miles [an hour by car] twice daily for work” but that feels a bit unwieldy.
I’d say thats generally more of a larger issue, yeah.
But just to mention, in the NYC area, just 3 miles outside of NYC can take an hour all by itself.
Either way - fuel costs are impacting mass transit riders too. Saying “just take the bus instead” helps no one when those bus costs are rapidly rising as well. And the same goes for trains when not all of them are electrified for the full run.
The effect of fuel costs on mass transit is much smaller than on personal motor vehicles though. So yeah, “just take the bus” is a pretty big step in the right direction, relatively speaking.
Here is the title of the post:
Here is my first comment:
So no, its not. Its a massively increasing cost that is continuing to trend upward.
Its about as helpful to folks who are being impacted by this as “Just don’t go to work!” or “Ride a bike for 50 miles each way every day, problem solved!”
What “just take the bus” does is shift the blame onto the individual being impacted, made worse by the fact that many of those impacted by these rising costs are already taking mass transit. This isn’t a “car” problem. This is a “commuter” problem.
And you think that the fare increase there is driven by fuel costs alone? Or even that fuel cost is in any way a significant portion of the change?
Not. A. Chance.
No I was saying everyone should quit their impractical far drive jobs and build rail lines outside their front doors on spec with their savings instead of paying rent don’t put words in my mouth!