• NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
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    16 hours ago

    This just in, Canada post and other mail providers will now be opening all envelopes and packages sent. All contents will be scanned or photographed and held on file for 2 years time, and released to relevant authorities upon request of investigation. To make things easier please do not seal packages or envelopes for easier and more convenient access.

    All photos and scanned documents will be held in a highly secured database with easy backdoors access!

    Pretty much the equivalent in terms of what Canada wants to implement with access to signal chats, VPN logs, and asking ISPs to keep logs for 1-2 years minimum.

    Somehow our politicians don’t seem to see the similarities between sending a message online vs sending a physical envelope in the mail. Also, in both cases a person could encrypt their messages/letters if they choose leaving regular folks with less security.

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      12 hours ago

      They’ve threatened to for a lot of them, but I’m not actually sure if they’ve actually done so.

      There’s a few countries that blocked signal, but I don’t know if signal has voluntarily pulled out of any country yet

      For example, they’ve threatened to leave Canada, Sweden, and Australia so far from memory

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      I don’t know of any yet, but these “encryption is for crooks” laws all keep barely failing, so they have not had to yet, from what I’ve seen.

  • 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works
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    I dont understand how they will pull out of canada… will the google play store have geo-restrictions on installing the apk?

    or will they just deactivate any account with a canadian phone number?

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      Pulling out is super easy. Just don’t release a compromised version of the app. Done.

      If the app in its current form doesn’t comply with Canadian law, then the play store can’t legally distribute it. So, problem solved.

      So basically Signal can pull out of Canada by doing nothing different than they’re already doing.

      As for the users who already have the app installed, well that’s just too bad for the Canadian government isn’t it.

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      10 hours ago

      Probably the same way Imgur dealt with the UK age verification. If you’re from the UK, you are basically IP blocked from Imgur.

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      It’s possible Signal could stop distributing the app through the Play Store and Apple App Store within Canada. Signal is likely to shut off all servers they rent that are hosted inside of Canada at the very least.

      In terms of them deactivating people’s accounts registered with Canadian numbers that seems less likely to me.

      Even if they potentially blocked Canadian IP addresses, Signal already has support for proxies built in and those are ran by diverse people throughout the world. Some individuals host them.

      This isn’t exactly the same since each situation with each country is different in terms of the law but Signal is banned in some countries such as Iran, Qatar, UAE and others already and people still use Signal by using Signal TLS proxies, VPNs, and other censorship circumvention tools such as Tor.

      They didn’t deactivate accounts after being banned and they still allow phone number registration in those countries.

      For Android people could download the apk file from Signal’s website instead of getting it from the Play Store at least.

      https://signal.org/android/apk/

      While we don’t know with certainty what they will do in each situation the past may be an indicator of what they will do to a large extent. But Signal has never pulled out of a country voluntarily before as far as I know so it is uncharted territory.

      I think the intentional deactivation of current accounts is unlikely to happen in this case with Canada.

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    Maybe we should be looking at the larger picture here this is exactly why Signal or any other privately owned centralized messaging system can never be trusted. Stop using Signal or WhatsApp.

    Look at alternatives like Matrix that are immune to this sort of thing.

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    I seriously dislike those “lawful access” shit, but Signal getting out of somewhere is a win.