And what a community to do it to. The FUNCTIONAL diy techie 2a hippe crowd that strives for freedom.
Like in what universe would somebody with a brain think “ah yes, let me try to pull a fast one on this group, nothing can go wrong”
I don’t have a printer, but I’m well acquainted with the people who do have printers, and from all walks of life. That is not a “take it and roll over” crowd.
You might as well try to sell Vietnamese children full priced nikes.
It doesn’t even cross their minds. I’m about to leave my current job together with two other seniors because our boss decided we’d turn everything into subscription products. Most of it are forks of open source software running on very basic hardware and we were doing fine with selling working solutions and support. Now every piece of hardware will be subscription based. The customers will own nothing and end up paying triple.
Our boss is baffled that we don’t want to do this.
This kinda reminds me of when Sony decided to declare war against people putting Linux on their PS3s. Like, buddy, this isn’t someone you can win a war against and you are wasting your time and good will trying to.
And many people warned exactly this would happen. Bambu introduced a closed system into an open source hobby and the parallels to home ink printers were pointed out immediately by the community. Bambu essentially announced this would happen. I‘ve been saying this for years.
Not exactly. You can use any filament (analogous to the ink) and they have said they won’t limit that. They have rfid tags in the filament but the printers without AMS don’t even have the ability to read it.
Until they go back on that I don’t really mind them. I don’t want to use other slicers etc. I didn’t buy this printer as a tinkering project but to print stuff and at that it really is very good.
I mean I really wish they were more open but I didn’t buy this printer because I thought it was open. I bought it knowing it was not. I’ve had many printers over the years and I’ve always hated having to mod them to make them usable. I just want it to work out of the box and Bambu is the first one I’ve had that really delivered on that.
I’m not a fan and I’ll move to other brands when I can (my latest printer is a snapmaker) but I think they do still offer good value for money.
I didn’t buy this printer as a tinkering project but to print stuff and at that it really is very good.
There are plenty of other printers that do this. Prusa, Creality, Flashforge, Anycubic. Plenty of slicers available. I don’t know why you’re pretending Bambu is necessary, or like it’s the only option.
Any time I find print files online that are in .bgcode format, I’m like “seriously…”.
I usually slice projects myself anyway because I don’t use PLA, but it’s just kinda lame to post a project online using the only closed source format that only works with one kind of printer.
Plus, there’s the whole spontaneous combustion issue…
yeah, a lot of PR effort for Bambu while the reality is slightly different.
An example: they say: we didn’t patch the security hole (the user agent “chech”) because the user experience would have been affected blablabla…
Well, they introduced this security hole on linux BECAUSE they deployed the new mandatory network “plugin” (that you are forced to use because: it’s automatically installed and it’s mandatory to print even locally) without providing a working solution for all their linux customers when deploying it.
Yes! They didn’t implement a real authentication solution for their own linux implementation AND they didn’t answer to their linux customers who had the software broken for MONTHS.
And them providing this user agent hack solution months later allowed anybody to understand how it worked without retro engineering their network plugin (something the article forgot to mention but it was the main attack vector of bambu against the developer threateninghim to go to federal jail, something they also forgot to mention).
Great user experience mindset here. Breaking their printer to introduce a mandatory connectivity plugin (reminder: linux is officially supported on the marketing pages) and threatening those who try to fix it using just what the license allows them to do.
I suspect the DDOS attack they had on their cloud service is more linked to their change of mind regarding this mandatory network plugin.
It could be all the linux client trying to download their network plugin but failing and retrying in loop. That wouldn’t surprise me following the user agent choice.
Or people unhappy. After all, they changed the terms of the contract after users bought the printer. Really a Dark Vader style of user experience here!
If you want to avoid this kind of amateurish/parasitic behavior, buy the original: Prusa.
I’ve one printer from them since many years that I upgrade each few years. Currently, I’m waiting for a sale for the upgrade kit to the Core+
Yes they are expensive but the fact that you have an official (and supported) upgrade path possible for my little printer bought more than a decade ago is really recommendable. And I love mounting it myself. You learn a lot about the product during this process.
What a shit “but both sides” article.
“Bambu said they didn’t do something wrong so we must take that into consideration”.
It’s one of the most transparent and plump “I want to hold my users hostage” in a long time.
And what a community to do it to. The FUNCTIONAL diy techie 2a hippe crowd that strives for freedom.
Like in what universe would somebody with a brain think “ah yes, let me try to pull a fast one on this group, nothing can go wrong”
I don’t have a printer, but I’m well acquainted with the people who do have printers, and from all walks of life. That is not a “take it and roll over” crowd.
You might as well try to sell Vietnamese children full priced nikes.
It doesn’t even cross their minds. I’m about to leave my current job together with two other seniors because our boss decided we’d turn everything into subscription products. Most of it are forks of open source software running on very basic hardware and we were doing fine with selling working solutions and support. Now every piece of hardware will be subscription based. The customers will own nothing and end up paying triple.
Our boss is baffled that we don’t want to do this.
This kinda reminds me of when Sony decided to declare war against people putting Linux on their PS3s. Like, buddy, this isn’t someone you can win a war against and you are wasting your time and good will trying to.
And many people warned exactly this would happen. Bambu introduced a closed system into an open source hobby and the parallels to home ink printers were pointed out immediately by the community. Bambu essentially announced this would happen. I‘ve been saying this for years.
Not exactly. You can use any filament (analogous to the ink) and they have said they won’t limit that. They have rfid tags in the filament but the printers without AMS don’t even have the ability to read it.
Until they go back on that I don’t really mind them. I don’t want to use other slicers etc. I didn’t buy this printer as a tinkering project but to print stuff and at that it really is very good.
I mean I really wish they were more open but I didn’t buy this printer because I thought it was open. I bought it knowing it was not. I’ve had many printers over the years and I’ve always hated having to mod them to make them usable. I just want it to work out of the box and Bambu is the first one I’ve had that really delivered on that.
I’m not a fan and I’ll move to other brands when I can (my latest printer is a snapmaker) but I think they do still offer good value for money.
There are plenty of other printers that do this. Prusa, Creality, Flashforge, Anycubic. Plenty of slicers available. I don’t know why you’re pretending Bambu is necessary, or like it’s the only option.
Any time I find print files online that are in .bgcode format, I’m like “seriously…”.
I usually slice projects myself anyway because I don’t use PLA, but it’s just kinda lame to post a project online using the only closed source format that only works with one kind of printer.
Plus, there’s the whole spontaneous combustion issue…
Bambu was the one company I oped to be wrong about when first seeing them. But their communication smelled “we are your future” from the beginning. :(
yeah, a lot of PR effort for Bambu while the reality is slightly different.
An example: they say: we didn’t patch the security hole (the user agent “chech”) because the user experience would have been affected blablabla…
Well, they introduced this security hole on linux BECAUSE they deployed the new mandatory network “plugin” (that you are forced to use because: it’s automatically installed and it’s mandatory to print even locally) without providing a working solution for all their linux customers when deploying it.
Yes! They didn’t implement a real authentication solution for their own linux implementation AND they didn’t answer to their linux customers who had the software broken for MONTHS.
And them providing this user agent hack solution months later allowed anybody to understand how it worked without retro engineering their network plugin (something the article forgot to mention but it was the main attack vector of bambu against the developer threateninghim to go to federal jail, something they also forgot to mention).
Great user experience mindset here. Breaking their printer to introduce a mandatory connectivity plugin (reminder: linux is officially supported on the marketing pages) and threatening those who try to fix it using just what the license allows them to do.
I suspect the DDOS attack they had on their cloud service is more linked to their change of mind regarding this mandatory network plugin.
It could be all the linux client trying to download their network plugin but failing and retrying in loop. That wouldn’t surprise me following the user agent choice.
Or people unhappy. After all, they changed the terms of the contract after users bought the printer. Really a Dark Vader style of user experience here!
If you want to avoid this kind of amateurish/parasitic behavior, buy the original: Prusa.
I’ve one printer from them since many years that I upgrade each few years. Currently, I’m waiting for a sale for the upgrade kit to the Core+
Once I got all I can from it, my upgrade from A1 Mini is gonna be Prusa lol, should have aten the price difference at first.
Yes they are expensive but the fact that you have an official (and supported) upgrade path possible for my little printer bought more than a decade ago is really recommendable. And I love mounting it myself. You learn a lot about the product during this process.
The practice of hacking old electronics?
ha yes, it’s retro in my native tongue but reverse in English. Well, I keep it because i find this mistake funny :)
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