I can tell you that keeping an existing decent ICE is better than buying a new EV. But once you have to buy a new car anyway, and an EV fits your usage pattern and operational environment there are no reasons not to buy one.
Yeah, it’s a bullshit clickbait headline to ignore this fact.
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Speaking as someone who has worked on plenty of gasoline powered cars… Duh. The most obvious waste product an internal combustion car makes other than the exhaust is the used oil. Have to do something with it. Have to make sure the engine isn’t leaking out into the environment when it’s running.
Even if you are charging your car from a coal plant, it’s more efficient. A coal power plant runs at one speed/output all the time. Gas cars have to throttle up and down. Each gas car has to be maintained by the person owning it, while the power plant has a maintenance team and inspections.
Also to the throttling up and down, the power plant, or even a gasoline generator sitting in the car itself, will always run at peak efficiency. Even a gasoline car sitting on the highway for 4hrs isn’t running at peak efficiency and a lot of that energy is lost in heat through the transmission.
I didn’t realise anyone still uses facebook. Like in developed countries I mean.
MIT Study Finds (New) Gas Cars Aren’t Secretly Better For The Planet Than (New) EVs, Despite What Everyone On Facebook Says
Fixed that disinfo for ya.
No, no you didn’t. But that’s okay little buddy. Someday your fantasy will be true.
Hey, I did my own research!!!1!1!!
How do you discover new things or form opinions?
How do I wat?
What are opinions?
Yeah, I have only facts, non of those opinions.
Theys easy to find. Opinions make you cry when you cut them.
MIT Study VS Facebook posts. Hard choice.
Well the headline alone is misleading disinformation.
People shouldn’t blindly trust that MIT is somehow immune from the failures of capitalist science. It’s literally the heart of the MIC. Endless bullshit coming out of there.
Everyone who was around during the pandemic knows that facebook is gonna win
Well the Misinformation Institute of Technology just cannot be trusted. It’s in the name!!
Look at everything the MIT has done for us!
Strange that the post didn’t go into the mining/manufacturing side.
This may come as a shocker to some people, but ICE cars are mined and manufactured in almost the exact same way as an EV. The main difference is EVs tend to weigh a bit more.
Also, once you mine the materials for an EV, you’re done. My car runs on sunlight and wind. Once you mine and manufacture an ICE, you are locked into mining, manufacturing, and transporting resources for it for the rest of it’s existence.
Maybe cause its a separate issue? Look, yes it is costly to extract the resources for a battery, but once we have it, we have it for good. Batteries are incredibly recyclable at this point (90%+ recoverable, conservatively), and a new battery can be almost entirely created using previous batteries.
This is in comparison to fossil fuels, which you get to burn exactly once, after which point you have to go extract more. The environmental costs of extracting oil (not even burning it) are well documented.
Where a ICE car requires ongoing environmental devastation, an electric one does not inherently require it. As more of the materials for batteries enters circulation, there’s less need to go extract more, and as grids transition from fossil fuels to renewables the climate impact of charging can be lessened as well.
Of course this isn’t to say that an electric car is the climate endgame. More walkable places, better public transit, better regulation of corporate polluters, etc. are the real meat and potatoes. But saying that EVs are just as bad as ICE cars is just not true.
It’s what those Facebook actually people fall back on so it isn’t a separate issue. It’s the issue being addressed.
I’m aware of everything you said, I just find the article of low value for not being able to use as a retort to the people it claims to refute.
Because the existence of oil rigs destroys that separate, and even dumber, talking point entirely by itself?
Ok, but can you show me even one time those oil rigs have caused an environmental disaster? OK, but that was only once. OK, those 15 other times you linked. OK, but clearly they can’t be that bad, the hippies cleaned up the the birds and BP said they were sorry.
Science back then: after long work we were able to create a vaccine, and we managed to eradicate small pox completely.
Science now: we did a study to prove something on Facebook isn’t true.
To be fair the scientists only invented the vaccine, and modern scientists are inventing plenty of vaccines and medical technologies today, including vaccines for infamously difficult to stop diseases like HIV.
Eradicating smallpox was a feat of international cooperation and administration. If we put in the effort in those areas today we could eliminate measles or polio. Or in the near future we could begin the process of eliminating HIV (it would take a long time because it’s not a death sentence anymore). Now I’m mad we aren’t engaged in a global fight to eliminate HIV the way we did for smallpox.
A second hand ICE car is still better than a new EV though.
We kinda solved cars 15 years ago as an ICE car from 2010 is almost indistinguishable from a new one. I’m waiting for my 2008 toyota to retire but it just keeps on going to the point where I think it’ll last me 10 more years. I don’t drive much but it takes e20 as fuel (heavily dilutated gasoline) and with CVT gearbox it’s super cheap to maintain so I really don’t feel like me upgrading to an EV would make any difference other than promote EV infrastructure.
My next car will definitely be an EV though primary because I expect battery tech to be much better by then.
A second hand EV is better than a second hand gas car though, so… What’s your point? What’s with this entirely outdated talking point at all? There are EVs old enough to vote.
You can buy EVs secondhand. You’d be hard pressed to find a sub 10k EV “beater” but there are plenty of used EVs in the 15-25k price range in my area, and are equivalent in features to used cars in the same bracket.
I feel you. My 20 year old Honda that I bought for $3k cash 3 years ago is reliable and easy to work on.
I do like the idea of not ever buying gasoline again, but I also like the idea of a $32 a month insurance payment and no car note, too…
A second hand ICE car is still better than a new EV though.
It’s amazing how this article ignores this obvious fact and even more amazing that people downvote it.
car from 2010 is almost indistinguishable from a new one.
Don’t forget the shitty electronics and spyware in newer cars.
that college buddy who dropped grad school to become a chiropractor
Gold.
I genuinely thought i misread the title… Wtf
The only “everyone” are trolls, paid or otherwise, the ignorant, and right wingnuts parroting the trolls and ignorant.
And there are a shitload of them who all seem to want to show off that opinion.
Don’t underestimate the ignorant.
Especially their numbers
Half my family believes this it’s one of the major reason they don’t switch to EVs despite being believers of climate change.
Pretty insane how well that disinformation works. If you are worried about nickel, mangan and cobalt, just get a car with an LFP battery, which doesn’t need those heavy metals (it is based on lithium and iron phosphate). The only other critical resource in appreciable amounts is neodynium for permanent magnets. We are talking about 1-3 kg per car.
If you think that makes EVs worse for climate or environment than ICE vehicles, think again.
That does sound like everyone on Facebook
You reduced it to about 70% of the population.
And idiots who spend lots of money on overpriced ice cars to impress their mates
That’s why they are so concerned about the resell value in a years time, because they’re not buying the car they want, only one that is fashionable
Let me ask Facebook how credible this study is…
@Grok, is this legit?
Tap for spoiler
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What we really should have done is made the Car Talk guys president. If there’s one thing I know for sure, it’s that those two would never have forced me to listen to what some MIT grad thinks.
Absolute gold! (The hosts of Car Talk were both MIT grads)
