İ am using pop os with my rtx4060 laptop. İ consider to switch an office laptop. İ will use it for editing and coding. İ love linux and open source but have to admit that mac is something different to me. İt is perfect. İ hate it is a product of apple but they did it really well. But also i want to use linux. But i cannot take 12 hours battery with linux laptops. İ could have buy tuxedo infinit book 14 pro but they dont ship to my country. What should i do?
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Get whatever the fuck you want.
well I could give you a solution, generally with x86_64 architecture they use a lot more wattage than macbooks, m-chip SOC’s (system-on-chip) utilize about 30W of energy whereas just a modern x86_64 CPU utilize 15W. which means you have a 15W overhead for your GPU and memory generally speaking.
So the entire reason your getting less battery life is OS required applications for it to function, and you. So if you minimize the amount of wattage (ideally building a linux system from scratch) you can optimize it to consume less resources.
I did this with my personal laptop, installed arch and mangoWM, didn’t even bother with a display manager or network manager (still use iwctl). on idle it uses about 600 MB, and I’ve beaten the m1. my point is not to compare or benchmark the macbook, but to just show you that you can maximize battery life with a little tinkering. So long as you are comfortable doing it.
I have used pop_os and cosmic DE it should be noted that is a beta version of pop_is, which means there are plenty of bugs, which means there are still a lot of optimizations. the fact you could get 12 hour battery is kinda surprising especially with a nvidia GPU.
How often do you work for 12-14 hours straight without any access to electricity?
If Linux is actually of any interest for you, giving up on it because of a few hours of battery life, feels weird for me. Why not invest in a power bank or make it work some other way.
With that said. You’re obviously free to use whatever you want to. I personally can’t stand Apple and their incredibly barebones, limited and locked down operating system.
It’s not 12-14 hours of straight working. It’s 12-14 hours without charging. Sometimes it’s just not convenient. Do you always go home from work and remember to charge your laptop? Never forgetting, consistently every day doing this?
Plus thanks to S0 standby using so much power just the laptop being in sleep is a decent battery drain.
Do you always go home from work and remember to charge your laptop? Never forgetting, consistently every day doing this?
Yes…?
Do other people really have a problem doing this?
Yes. Life gets in the way sometimes.
You’re looking for permission not for recommendation. Get your Macbook.
I am a little confused by the reasoning here. Is battery life your only consideration at all? Are there any other criteria which influence your choice?
It seems like a shame to jump ship on an entire ecosystem solely because your current machine has disappointing battery life.
I recently got a machine with the new Intel 358H and the B390 iGPU. I haven’t used it a ton yet, but it seems like it gets around 8-10 hours battery life on normal web browsing/productivity tasks in my experience, and while not as powerful as an RTX 4060 (Most benchmarks place the B390 somewhere between a 3050 and 4050), I imagine would be serviceable for editing and coding.
Just enjoy the MacBook. It’s a fine product. You’ll feel right at home in the Unix terminal.
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What advice do you expect from a Linux discussion group? I suggest you do what you feel is right for a subjective decision like this, all hearing other people’s opinions will do is confirm your feelings.
just use what works for you? 14h battery life is gonna happen when we have proper arm laptops with good linux support, in the meantime you have to compromise. I think there are some arm laptops that are usable on linux, but it’s gonna be a science project not a stable workhorse machine
The Intel Panther Lake chips apparently approach the same kind of battery life as the M-series chips, so the newer XPS machines actually look like a worthwhile competitor that’s capable of running Linux.
EDIT: The Framework 13 Pro also has a panther lake chip and promises pretty beastly battery life, so if OP is willing to wait, that might be a good alternative as well.
But do they have the same performance per watt under real life workloads?
Intel CPUs are great at 100% idle, and 100% load. Anything less than that and they tend to fall on their face.
My 12th Gen. Intel laptop gets about 4 hours of battery life just doing Remote Desktop. Going full tilt it’s fairly efficient. At 100% idle it can be good. But a simple task that keeps the CPU lightly busy and it falls on its face.
Why do you even want a new laptop? 4060 sounds pretty recent?
I used a Macbook Pro (M1) for work and I loved it. But a few years in, liquid glass ruined everything making it laggy and incredibly frustrating to use. I had already installed Asahi and I switched to that full time, accepting some battery loss but keeping the excellent hardware still.
So, my point is that you might be able to have the best if both worlds. Look at the Asahi documentation and see if a supported (or even planned) device works for you, and use MacOS until you want to switch to Asahi. I would recommendation installing Asahi ASAP though in case Apple breaks it like they did with OS 27.
Just a suggestion based on my experience, do what seems best for you!
Depends on your coding.
If there is a chance you end up programming for macOS or iOS you’ve got no choice.
Well, nah, macs are not perfect. And that’s only going to get worse, no matter what way you look at it. Linux, on the other hand, is only getting better.
What’s the deciding factor? Well, if it’s a question of hardware, I don’t know any laptops as good as a macbook pro. But if you find a model you like as much as the mac, there’s no question at all. Linux all the way.
MacOS + Nix Package Manager with flakes enabled. I haven’t tested it out myself though.
ThinkPad and Dell have a bunch of Linux compatible notebooks.
If you are in a European country not being locked into apples ecosystem would be a major argument for me.
