Fuck fossil fuels.

  • Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Its becoming more common here in Central Europe, most new builds family houses have them.

    They have a couple drawbacks, like the high upfront cost (in my country a mid-range pump can cost between 3-8K Euros) and they work best with well insulated buildings, but once its installed they can save a tons of money, especially when paired with solar panels or wind turbines.

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      Where would that be? My sister in Germany just got an offer for a heat pump+installation for 42k Euros in Germany.

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        22 hours ago

        It’s even a quote my boss gave me. I work in HVAC and plumbing but I do different things and I want it planned right.

        I haven’t looked at the details but a boiler is also included and it’s+8k for deinstallation of the old one.

        As far as I know the problem is with government subsidies because they just get slapped on the price. Plus there is a list of companies that are eligable for subsidies and the big German companies lobby to exclude other players. Plus German hvac companies usually have a partner that they get their heat pumps from and they don’t like to switch. The typical German HVAC company has maybe 5-10 employees.

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        Thats a lot. My whole water installation was under 5k (plumbing without appliances + floor heating) for a 110 m2 family house, plus got mutiple offers for heat pumps (install+setup) between 4k - 8k with different mid-ranged models (air-water) after stating my budget. Of course there are high-end models for 10-20k, but I have no reason to choose smart features and buzzwords for the premium price.

        Location is Slovakia, but prices in Hungary and Czech Republic are similar. All prices are from 2025-2026, with government support program for energy saving appliances.

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          Prices are high in germany… It’s next to impossible to even find someone willing to work on non-industrial jobs in my region (unless you’re willing to fork over like 300€/hr for someone working the weekend) and material costs are sky-high as well.

          Replacing our old gas heaters with new ones (pre covid, around 2020 i think) was over 8k€ per apartment if I remember correctly. (4-family home) That’s without having to factor in new pipes or what inflation has done to prices here during/after covid.

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        That sounds like a quote for a ground source heat pump. Air source heat pumps are far more popular and much cheaper to install.

        Labour is the main cost. Ours was about €11k. Future replacements would cost as much as a boiler upgrade since the pipework and radiators are already there.

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        We got quoted 12 and 14k for our two respective estimates and it was getting an eco-friendly coolant box manufactured in Germany so it was easily repairable. Not the best money could buy but not the Bauhaus version either.

        Unfortunately the landlords rejected every proposal we made because landlords are leaches on society.

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      For a flat I once had, to have 24 degrees I paid 2000 € in just gas for one year. It may seem high, but it gets profitable pretty quickly.