Left Party MP Cansin Köktürk was thrown out of a German parliament plenary chamber on Wednesday for wearing a t-shirt with the word “Palestine” printed on it, a move deemed a political statement by the parliamentary leadership.
Bundestag President Julia Klöckner intervened during the session, reminding MPs that political messages on clothing are not permitted in the chamber.
While the Bundestag does not have a detailed dress code, its rules require MPs and visitors to dress “in keeping with the prestige” of the institution. Enforcement of this standard is left to the discretion of the session chair.
Lmao, Jesus Christ. I can lead a horse to water, but I can’t make it drink.
Got it. You actually don’t have any better arguments to support your bigoted writings.
Yeah, I guess verbatim quotations from Palestinian leadership isn’t enough to establish what they think. Too bad I don’t have your standards of just applying feelings without regard for the facts; you’re wise not to let logic or human decency stand in the way of your antisemitism, you might accidentally develop some self awareness
You are showing how Hamas are antisemitic. You are then elevating Hamas to all of Palestine. That’s neither net logic or human decency, that’s bait-and-switch.
But you know, we can play this game. Are you are ready to accept statements of Israeli top officials (from the freaking President, to the Prime Minister and his Ministers, to MKs and further down) as Israeli policy to exterminate Palestinians? Or is nuance only allowed for Israel and never allowed for Palestinians? Or is it that if we allow equal amounts of nuance to both sides, then that is antisemitism?
So what, you’re saying that those statements are accurate, but you’re willing to ignore them because Israel feels the same way about the Muslim occupation of Palestine as Muslims feel about Jewish occupation of Palestine? If you defend the one while condemning the other, it’s hard to see how the distinction could be anything other than antisemitism.
I condemn both. Which is why I stand by the ICC decision to issue arrest warrants for both Hamas and Israeli government leaders.
I also refuse to accord to Hamas the title of “Palestine”. The political entity recognized as Palestine by 147 countries has as its president Mahmoud Abbas.. So when you talk about “the fact that Palestine has repeatedly called for the extermination of all Jews” you are delegitimizing the legitimate government of Palestinians in favour of a terror group, to justify repression of Palestinians in whole, as a nation. Which is of course, unacceptable.
Well, at least you’re willing to acknowledge that the Muslim colonial occupation of Palestine is illegitimate. Both the Jews and the Muslims have acted atrociously in Palestine, but people so often claim that the Muslims have a “right” to the land simply because their colonialist conquest happened a long time ago, so it’s nice for you to acknowledge that their occupation there is just as illegitimate as the state of Israel.
I am referring to crimes and exterminationist rhetoric.
In this discussion we have not at all touched on the topic of colonialism and indigeneity as a basis of legitimacy. I reject outright the notion that Palestinians “occupy” Palestine. It is factual matter that Israel is an occupying power in the lands it conquered after the 1967 Six Day war (West Bank, Gaza, Golan).
Historically, Arab Muslims, Arab Jews, Arab Christians and others have for very long lived in the area outlined by Israel and Palestine, but all that in reality matters very little. Given the current multi-generational mess of the last 80 years, all people have equal claim to the land. Through the building of the settlements, Israel has created facts on the ground that make the Two State Solution impossible, so the only realistic scenarios out of the present are either some kind of ethnic cleansing, which is of course completely unacceptable, or a bi-/pluri- national post-apartheid democratic successor state with equal rights for all confessions and ethnic groups, that is decidedly an Israeli homeland and at the same time a Palestinian homeland. The same principle of joint sovereignty as applies to places like Belgium, Bosnia, Cyprus, Quebec, etc.
Well, you almost sounded reasonable. If Muslims conquering Palestine and establishing a colony is not “occupation” in your eyes, but Jews conquering Palestine and establishing a colony is “occupation”, then it seems like you’re just back at antisemitism again. There is no such thing as a legitimate claim to land ownership; all such claims are backed by past acts of violence or the threat of future violence. The Muslims are no more legitimate occupiers of the land than the Jews are, but they are the ones to establish the precedent of conquering lands and taking them for themselves. If you’re willing to condemn conquest and territorial occupation when it’s done by Jews, but you’re not willing to condemn conquest and territorial occupation when it’s done by Muslims, then it’s clear that your issue is not with conquest and occupation at all, but with Jews.