Don’t worry, we were fucked since before you were born. We overshot our ecosystem long, long ago, it just takes decades for the consequences to catch up.
I mean the ability to survive it will be based on where you are located. And for the billions that are unable to survive it, they will either start wars with those who can, or will die in the process, or both.
Or peacefully migrate to areas that are sustainable and contribute to the project of rebuilding.
But, again, the capacity to build and supply life sustaining amenities and the political willingness to distribute them in order to curry political favor rather than just generate profit will be central to a country’s power projection into the late 21st century.
So where is that going to be? If the rest of the world doesn’t run that way (which isn’t possible), what do you think happens then? When sea rise lifts things a couple of meters, billions are displaced. You aren’t simply going to put them somewhere else. Europe currently is struggling with climate and war migrants, the US is the same.
the rest of the world doesn’t run that way (which isn’t possible)
It is possible. And the bitter irony is that it would be better for everyone on average. Just not better for a few specific people on the whole.
When sea rise lifts things a couple of meters, billions are displaced.
Where will they run to? Not the US Gulf Coast or the Dutch flatlands. Not to the low lying Caribbean Islands or the coastline of Japan or Australia.
The most Climate Change friendly regions are going to be high altitude but still retain access to lots of potable water. Curiously enough, that looks like… Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, and the Horn of Africa.
All those Western yahoos screaming about illegal immigrants are on track to become ones. And right back to the countries they spent generations pissing off.
Tell that to the vast swathes of the globe, including China, due to face lethal wet bulb temperatures within the next 10-20 years. Which, along with mass death, means massive breadbasket failures on multiple fronts. Ain’t politicking our way out of this one, chief.
Yeah, and someone was just arguing with me in a different thread saying vertical warehouse farming is stupid and we should just grow our crops in the ground outside 🙄
Like, I’m trying to be helpful here, but sure let’s continue to make no systemic changes to the way things are done and just be frustrated when our problems only continue to get worse…
One country is producing all of the world’s air conditioners. I wonder if they’re in a better position to endure wet-bulb temperatures than their peers.
Ain’t politicking our way out of this one, chief.
They absolutely can and will. This is a country that can build the infrastructure to keep people from dying of overheating. What’s more, this is the country that can export that infrastructure globally, such that its allies will see improved survivability. And that will have cascading knock-on effects.
The ability to survive climate change is the ability to operate as a global center of gravity.
I think you missed the ‘massive breadbasket failures’ part of my comment. You can’t air condition a field of rice. Well, you could, but good luck trying that on the scale needed to feed everyone once crops begin to fail globally.
You do realize how many people in the world live in houses that aren’t even fully-enclosed, right? Usually in some of the places that will be most impacted by climate change, too. Air conditioners won’t be of much help to them.
Also, do you know how much coal China burns each year?
Okay so just send in the Chinese with their concrete and bulldoze these people’s homes to build them nice new climate-controlled living spaces while also indebting them in higher amounts than they’re likely to make in their lifetimes.
Cause that’s different from colonialism how?
“Don’t worry, primitives, we’re here to surmount your obstacles for you. Because it’s totally our place to decide that.”
Are we talking about the same country here? Where in “southern” provinces like Sichuan there is no heating provided in buildings? And people rely on electric heaters and blankets to stay warm?
High temperatures don’t preclude large lifeforms. Just ask the dinosaurs.
But you need the ability to adapt at speed and scale for the entire ecological colony. You can’t rely on biomes that cater exclusively to a handful of apex predators.
The planet has been undergoing the 6th global extinction event in its history for over 30,000 years. During this time period, humanity has flourished even as millions of other species have died out.
Sure, until we used fossil fuels to accelerate our growth to absurd numbers, killed most other large wild mammal species, and started pumping ancient buried carbon into the atmosphere at a rate exceeding any other co2 related extinction event in the planet’s history.
I do miss feeling optimistic about the future
Don’t worry, we were fucked since before you were born. We overshot our ecosystem long, long ago, it just takes decades for the consequences to catch up.
You’re just in the wrong country, aligned with the wrong set of politics, speaking the wrong language.
The future isn’t American anymore. The future is Mexican and Brazilian. The future is African. The future is Chinese.
Climate change doesn’t stop at the border, lol.
The ability to endure it and survive - even thrive - in the face of it will vary heavily based on national leadership.
I mean the ability to survive it will be based on where you are located. And for the billions that are unable to survive it, they will either start wars with those who can, or will die in the process, or both.
Or peacefully migrate to areas that are sustainable and contribute to the project of rebuilding.
But, again, the capacity to build and supply life sustaining amenities and the political willingness to distribute them in order to curry political favor rather than just generate profit will be central to a country’s power projection into the late 21st century.
So where is that going to be? If the rest of the world doesn’t run that way (which isn’t possible), what do you think happens then? When sea rise lifts things a couple of meters, billions are displaced. You aren’t simply going to put them somewhere else. Europe currently is struggling with climate and war migrants, the US is the same.
It is possible. And the bitter irony is that it would be better for everyone on average. Just not better for a few specific people on the whole.
Where will they run to? Not the US Gulf Coast or the Dutch flatlands. Not to the low lying Caribbean Islands or the coastline of Japan or Australia.
The most Climate Change friendly regions are going to be high altitude but still retain access to lots of potable water. Curiously enough, that looks like… Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, and the Horn of Africa.
All those Western yahoos screaming about illegal immigrants are on track to become ones. And right back to the countries they spent generations pissing off.
Tell that to the vast swathes of the globe, including China, due to face lethal wet bulb temperatures within the next 10-20 years. Which, along with mass death, means massive breadbasket failures on multiple fronts. Ain’t politicking our way out of this one, chief.
Yeah, and someone was just arguing with me in a different thread saying vertical warehouse farming is stupid and we should just grow our crops in the ground outside 🙄
Like, I’m trying to be helpful here, but sure let’s continue to make no systemic changes to the way things are done and just be frustrated when our problems only continue to get worse…
Europe wants to rebalance trade with Beijing, but can’t quit Chinese air conditioners
One country is producing all of the world’s air conditioners. I wonder if they’re in a better position to endure wet-bulb temperatures than their peers.
They absolutely can and will. This is a country that can build the infrastructure to keep people from dying of overheating. What’s more, this is the country that can export that infrastructure globally, such that its allies will see improved survivability. And that will have cascading knock-on effects.
The ability to survive climate change is the ability to operate as a global center of gravity.
I think you missed the ‘massive breadbasket failures’ part of my comment. You can’t air condition a field of rice. Well, you could, but good luck trying that on the scale needed to feed everyone once crops begin to fail globally.
You do realize how many people in the world live in houses that aren’t even fully-enclosed, right? Usually in some of the places that will be most impacted by climate change, too. Air conditioners won’t be of much help to them.
Also, do you know how much coal China burns each year?
It’s crazy that you treat this as an insurmountable obstacle. Much less that there’s no political cache in surmounting it.
Okay so just send in the Chinese with their concrete and bulldoze these people’s homes to build them nice new climate-controlled living spaces while also indebting them in higher amounts than they’re likely to make in their lifetimes.
Cause that’s different from colonialism how?
“Don’t worry, primitives, we’re here to surmount your obstacles for you. Because it’s totally our place to decide that.”
Are we talking about the same country here? Where in “southern” provinces like Sichuan there is no heating provided in buildings? And people rely on electric heaters and blankets to stay warm?
Kind of, I guess. Depends on if there any animals larger than a cat left after the temperature change stops and levels off.
Depends if we can adapt them quickly enough to survive.
Brazil has been dismantling our biotech sector for 20 years now, so I’m not optimist, but YMMV.
Anyway, I’m more optimist on avoiding problem than on dealing with it.
Yeah just do your best and help others while you’re here, lol.
High temperatures don’t preclude large lifeforms. Just ask the dinosaurs.
But you need the ability to adapt at speed and scale for the entire ecological colony. You can’t rely on biomes that cater exclusively to a handful of apex predators.
The rate of change is faster than any in the planet’s history, I don’t have high hopes for many species surviving.
The planet has been undergoing the 6th global extinction event in its history for over 30,000 years. During this time period, humanity has flourished even as millions of other species have died out.
Sure, until we used fossil fuels to accelerate our growth to absurd numbers, killed most other large wild mammal species, and started pumping ancient buried carbon into the atmosphere at a rate exceeding any other co2 related extinction event in the planet’s history.
That, and natural resources. Idk how many freshwater lakes and rivers Mexico has but it’s not looking good for the ones they do have.
Doubtful. Climate change as well as its economic impact will affect most of these areas especially hard