This is all well and good in a vacuum but suburbs exist and people have kids. If all the cars disappeared tomorrow I would be fucked and wouldn’t feel very free.
Even if e-bikes were a solution to that they’re being regulated to shit to limit their usefulness covering larger distances quickly. We don’t have the rail infrastructure to make navigating in and out of or between suburban areas effective or even possible. Transporting people who can’t transport themselves would be immensely more difficult and forget about interstate travel.
Cars go really far, really fast, on your schedule. Plenty of things exist that solve those problems on paper but at least here in the US are not implemented in a way that make them viable for anyone outside of a well funded metro area and god forbid you have dependents.
I’m all for fuck cars but getting a bike is like a tiny piece of a much larger issue if we want to truly replace the freedom automobiles afford us.
I’m sure that’s true I don’t doubt it. I just think the original post lacks a metric ton of nuance and situational awareness to attack the issue honestly.
You (or your society) conditioned your schedule to the car. That has been scientifically studied. People generally accept a journey to work of 30min to 1hr. If they only have their two feet, they settle accordingly. If a train is involved or a car, the urban infrastructure follows.
So cars are not the meaning of freedom, you (and we all) just built your schedule around it.
So a bike would be just as fast on your schedule (and it is).
I’m not arguing against anything you just stated. I completely agree. I just think if we want to truly tackle the issue cars present we should more closely examine why cars give people a sense of freedom and try to address the corresponding issues accordingly. I think finding the empathy to relate to people who find freedom in that are more likely to consider alternatives if those issues were to be addressed appropriately from a position of understanding.
I live in an area where lots of parents have bikes designed to hold two kids in the back.
I don’t know what you’re rambling about with train travel. Could I just teleport us to the train dimension, where I could lament that cars will never work because we have interstate rail, and no highways? Makes about as much sense.
That’s fine, but we don’t live in the train dimension. We live in the car dimension. And unlike your train dimension, problems the car dimension are real and people who truly want to replace cars as the main mode of transport for the majority of people will realize that comes with actual problems that need to be solved for actual people in order to make any real progress. I know it’s hard but to achieve your goals you will have to tap into some dormant empathy in order to further your goals.
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This is all well and good in a vacuum but suburbs exist and people have kids. If all the cars disappeared tomorrow I would be fucked and wouldn’t feel very free.
Even if e-bikes were a solution to that they’re being regulated to shit to limit their usefulness covering larger distances quickly. We don’t have the rail infrastructure to make navigating in and out of or between suburban areas effective or even possible. Transporting people who can’t transport themselves would be immensely more difficult and forget about interstate travel.
Cars go really far, really fast, on your schedule. Plenty of things exist that solve those problems on paper but at least here in the US are not implemented in a way that make them viable for anyone outside of a well funded metro area and god forbid you have dependents.
I’m all for fuck cars but getting a bike is like a tiny piece of a much larger issue if we want to truly replace the freedom automobiles afford us.
Most of us understand that and want cities to be improved away from a car-centric design.
Many in the fuckcars community drive a car.
I’m sure that’s true I don’t doubt it. I just think the original post lacks a metric ton of nuance and situational awareness to attack the issue honestly.
I mean, in all fairness, it is a 4chan shitpost
True true
You (or your society) conditioned your schedule to the car. That has been scientifically studied. People generally accept a journey to work of 30min to 1hr. If they only have their two feet, they settle accordingly. If a train is involved or a car, the urban infrastructure follows.
So cars are not the meaning of freedom, you (and we all) just built your schedule around it.
So a bike would be just as fast on your schedule (and it is).
I’m not arguing against anything you just stated. I completely agree. I just think if we want to truly tackle the issue cars present we should more closely examine why cars give people a sense of freedom and try to address the corresponding issues accordingly. I think finding the empathy to relate to people who find freedom in that are more likely to consider alternatives if those issues were to be addressed appropriately from a position of understanding.
Freedom in this context doesn’t seem to make sense because cars are a convenience in a car-centric urban area.
The convenience is what gives freedom, not inherently the transport itself.
I live in an area where lots of parents have bikes designed to hold two kids in the back.
I don’t know what you’re rambling about with train travel. Could I just teleport us to the train dimension, where I could lament that cars will never work because we have interstate rail, and no highways? Makes about as much sense.
That’s fine, but we don’t live in the train dimension. We live in the car dimension. And unlike your train dimension, problems the car dimension are real and people who truly want to replace cars as the main mode of transport for the majority of people will realize that comes with actual problems that need to be solved for actual people in order to make any real progress. I know it’s hard but to achieve your goals you will have to tap into some dormant empathy in order to further your goals.