After almost 25 years now, there are more things we still can learn about that day. Silverstein had signed a 99-year lease for the World Trade Center complex just weeks before the attacks. Silverstein has stated that he typically attended meetings at the World Trade Center every morning. However, on 9/11, he did not go to the office due to a medical appointment. This detail has frequently resurfaced in documentaries, news reports, and online discussions as people revisit the events of that tragic day.
I think that’s called moving the goal post.
It’s pretty normal to evacuate a building when it’s been hit by debris and has been set on fire… Also wtc7 was only 350 feet north of a near 1400 foot tower, it’s extremely easy to see why that’s still in the danger zone. You don’t even have to use your imagination, you can look up pictures of the damage caused by the debris.
A large chunk of debris falling through several floors of an office building does not seem like a very suspicious reason for a fire.
First of all, I didn’t make any claims about the narrative. I was just commenting on misleading engineering claims. Secondly, just because you can’t determine the exact details of how every little thing went down does not necessarily mean that the narrative is inherently false.
Who is making these claims? Its well known that 9/11 was political blowback from the deterioration of the US and Bin Ladens relationship the Middle East. It’s also pretty well known that several US intelligence agencies were alerted of potential terrorist attacks via airlines, and that they were being uncooperative and incompetent.
If we are evaluating competing scenario of what really happened that day we can use some reason and logic. One story requires a massive conspiracy conducted by multiple intelligence agencies, wealthy private citizens, demolition crews, and politicians… potentially hundreds to thousands of people who have all been extremely competent and have kept their mouths shut for several decades.
The other scenario requires decades of the US government doing stupid shit in the middle East, and a couple intelligence agencies with an established history of fucking around and finding out to be incompetent.
Now I’m not saying there weren’t clandestine actors who didn’t ignore credible information about a potential attack, or there isn’t funny business between the US government and a country like Saudi Arabia. But that tends to be how things go, politicians never let a good tragedy go to waste.
(I’m a different guy and I’m not arguing you on anyting else BUT:)
Totally possible. There’ve been things of that magnitude that were hidden for decades that finally did get whistle blown, it’s entirely possible (I mean it’s almost impossible that there wouldn’t be) other things that never did get whistle blown (at least yet.)
Just look at some of the large scale operations we have come to learn about (be they leaked or later declassified), MK Ultra, MK Naomi, Operation Paperclip, Project PRISM, now they’re doing UFO disclosure so apparently that’s been real in some capacity and been covered up since like 1947, that recent Mossad deal with the pagers, pretty sure Epstein was a Mossad honeypot (but that one “isn’t proven yet.”)
“Well we know about those now” yeah and we didn’t for years before we did, it’s more likely than not that “now” is the “before we knew” years for something large and conspiratorially organized (not necessarily 9/11). To say otherwise is to assume we know everything the various agencies (CIA, FBI, Mossad) are doing, which is patently ridiculous to assume.
Furthermore I think it’d take less people “in the know” than you may think. Those agencies (namely CIA) work because of compartmentalization, the agent knows his part and any info needed to make that happen, and that’s it. The next agent in the chain knows his part and nothing more, and so on. In the end there may be only a couple people who actually know the entire picture. Also “we’ll fucking kill you and frame you for CP and destroy your entire family” will do wonders for a motherfucker’s will to speak up, and I don’t think a little murder here or there “in the interest of national security” has ever stopped the CIA before. I don’t think they’re stopping at “but you signed an NDA” for something as big as like Operation Northwoods.
Those examples are a bit different in scale. Mk ultra only involved a couple hundred researches/agents. It also didn’t kill thousands of people and was first brought to public light in 1974, just a couple years after the program ended.
Project Mk Naomi involved significantly less people and was made aware to the public in 1975, 5 years after it was shut down.
Operation paperclip didn’t kill people and started leaking to the public within a year.
The Prism program didn’t kill people, began in 2008 and was famously leaked by Snowden in 2013.
As far as Ufo disclosure, I’m not really sure if that really fits into the scheme of large conspiracy. The leaks have mainly been utilized as a political tool to divert eyes from the administration, and have largely been uneventful.
The mossad pager bombs did kill dozens of people and injured thousands and we found out about who did it and how almost immediately. So I’m not sure if that aid your overarching argument.
The information surrounding all these examples were all illuminated within a couple years of the events. They may have not resonated with the general public, but they also were much smaller in scale and less destructive to the general public than 9/11.
I don’t think we know everything about the alphabet orgs in the government, but they really aren’t very good about keeping large and impactful programs from the public. In general the larger a secret is the harder it is to keep people quiet. I mean hypothetically, how much money would it take to insure you didn’t go to the public about your involvement with something as horrible as 9/11? What’s the likelihood that a bunch of blue collar workers are going to agree to demolish a building with people inside it?
That’s not how something like a planned demolition works… A large building usually has about 150 people working together in constant communication. It takes engineers, construction workers, explosive experts, and enough hands to lay down miles of cable. That’s just for something the size of a hotel, the towers or even wt7 would take hundreds of people working for weeks, and that’s just the deomol5 aspect. You would also have hundreds of agents working to coordinate planes, schedules, and running interference inside the buildings. It’s just not feasible.
Plus, I think even the most slow witted agent would put the pieces together after the event occured.
There’s a reason they operate in compartmentalized cells, and it’s because secrets are famously hard to keep, even with the threat of violence. Something like 9/11 is just too large to operate successfully in the compartmentalization necessary to keep it hidden.
There’s a reason Northwood never happened, it would have impossible to keep secret
These agencies are made of people, people run their mouths. The simple fact is there hasn’t been a single credible person to come forward in the last 25 years that has stated they were part of a conspiracy surrounding 9/11. That level of secrecy is just not feasible, and is a lot less possible than the actual explanation.
You (should) get my point though, regardless of if deaths or coconspirators match up 1:1, things do happen that are orchestrated by multiple people that you and I do not know about, to believe otherwise is arrogant.
The amount deaths are irrelevant (and btw about 14 boxes of paperwork were destroyed, we’ll never know what that contained…), point is that from 50-70 when the “program shut down” (…riiiiight) 20 yr, it was still a secret program and “not happening.” 4 years later turns out the “crazies” like me suggesting a government experimental conspiracy to test acid and other mind control methods on some of our nation’s most prominent assassins and murderers and creating the hippy movement by accident were right the whole time…
It fits, they’ve said “nuh uh” for almost 80 years and lord knows how many people have been involved in the cover up, “uh huh” still means “uh huh” even if they’re only admitting it now because of Epstein (which again let me remind you is yet ANOTHER conspiracy involving conspirators that has come to light after 20yr of operation…) if I murder someone and only admit it because it distracts from my crimes coming to light, I still murdered the guy even if the admission is “a distraction” from whatever was coming to light.
And how long were they working on it before we found out? The fact you seem to think you know everything in real time baffles me, you really can’t admit that maybe large organized intelligence rings may do things you don’t know about?
That you know of.
A few hundered thousand bucks and the assurance that you’ll kill my family if I speak up even though I won’t be believed because I don’t have concrete proof oughta cover it.
Did you properly threaten their families? Makes it more likely…
Again I’m not saying that this is the case for 9/11 specifically, I’m saying “the government could never keep a secret” is patently ridiculous to assume.
Easier when
Kennedy said “Er Uh, no.”
Is that what it would take to make you finally realize you don’t know everything about everything? Well again I wasn’t even saying 9/11 was a conspiracy but now I hope that happens just so you personally can realize the world isn’t as simple as you seem to believe.