After almost 25 years now, there are more things we still can learn about that day. Silverstein had signed a 99-year lease for the World Trade Center complex just weeks before the attacks. Silverstein has stated that he typically attended meetings at the World Trade Center every morning. However, on 9/11, he did not go to the office due to a medical appointment. This detail has frequently resurfaced in documentaries, news reports, and online discussions as people revisit the events of that tragic day.
Everybody knew about it but us. Seems kind of interesting to me. This is like the enigma code. Whereas if you saved everybody the Germans figured out that their code was compromised. So you had to have some sacrificial lambs in order to keep it believable.
As I look deeper into it, I seen that there might have been warnings 2 hours before the attacks.
Jesus Christ. This is as stupid as the idiots that believe Trump is Christian.
But he loves every quote from the bible. LOL! Did he ever say one?
Sorry to break it to you, but
You can’t change a lemmy users’ mind. No matter what, they will believe the official narrative like their lives depend on it, especially if it includes jews
Bigger question, why didn’t he have breakfast there on September 12, 2001?
The truth is in there…
They ran out of baegles and were waiting for delivery
Windows on the World was on the top floors of the North Tower… Are you joking?
I couldn’t be more serious, brother. You want the answers, or are you afraid to know what THEY aren’t telling you?
There’s so much bad news in this timeline, but seeing Onion News owning Info Wars is for sure a highlight
No idea what you are going on about, lol!
Going on is right, going on a truth safari, govna’
Innit?
He didn’t “always” have breakfast at the north tower, he had breakfast at the north tower to meet new tenants so if he didn’t need to do that, he didn’t go. He didn’t go that morning because a dermatology appointment that had been made months in advance was that morning and his wife insisted he didn’t miss it.
I think Larry is a typical billionaire, hurting those around him far and wide to increase profits but this is just another 0 effort CTRL-C/CTRL-V without any actual verification of the claim because it fits your worldview. There’s plenty to complain about him without regurgitating made up shit.
The fact that he missed work isn’t made up shit. It is well documented. That is all that is being said here.
Yeah but did you see his last name? /s
I’m not one to cry antisemitism but this reminds me of the “no Jews died on 9/11” conspiracy theory that was way too big for awhile
anonymous leaker is following the great tradition of 100s of years of
freedom of speechcitizen journalismanti-jew conspiracy fantasiesleftist and rightist gonna horseshoe
I am Jewish. Look at you trying to speak for me. But you didn’t know that, you are just hurling insane accusations based on nothing. People also yell antisemitism over nothing now. You are disgusting.
It took about seven years for all the billionaires and insurance companies and lawyers to decide who owed what to whom.
It took about 30 seconds to decide to start killing brown people.
It basically was an immediate attack wasn’t it? What investigation led to the attack on them?
Well, Osama bin Laden publicly taking credit for the attack was a big part.
He was known to be in Afghanistan, known to be part of al-Qaeda, and the Taliban was known to be sheltering and supporting Al-Qaeda.
The Taliban was the internationally recognized government of Afghanistan, which isn’t they were never declared a terrorist organization. When they outright said they would not extradite bin Laden to the US and openly refused to shut down terrorist bases or extradite other terrorists, the US invaded.
Don’t let the clusterfuck of the politics around Iraq cloud the invasion of Afghanistan. That one was extremely straightforward. The government of Afghanistan harbored and sheltered bin Laden, who very publicly claimed credit for 9/11, and then refused to do anything about it afterward.
A side note-don’t you think a terrorist would want credit for that even if they were not involved at all?
They were already there they started capturing and killing known enemies immediately it ramped up as military logistics ramped up. John Kiriakou has spoken a fair bit about the days weeks and months after 9/11 on the podcast circuit.
What are you talking about?
Here’s the top answer to ‘legal problems caused by WTC attacks’
The war on brown people speaks for itself.
Oh, gotcha. It led to all the Middle Eastern hate after it. I was talking about how quick the U.S. was to attack the people right after.
US military involvement in the middle east didn’t start on 9/11
white people are such fucking bullies. spent decades fucking around the global stage, doing whatever the fuck they want, wars, stealing resources, destabilising democracies for puppet dictators. then when they history begins the moment consequences happen.
Not going to justify terror attacks, but it wasn’t because Bin Laden was mad that Americans had freedom and Jesus.
white people are such fucking bullies
Ah yes, the Great White Monilith. Our power is unmatched. Give us enough time and we shall meld into one, great Super White and bully the stars!
Shut the fuck up
yes, it fucking is.
even poor white people are enjoying privilege of colonialism. And like you said, don’t give a fuck.
“He’s privileged to be living under a bridge in a moldy jacket because he’s white.”
No time for this idiot logic.
Or maybe it’s the only day people noticed because it was a significant day.
Needs sources.
He technically never had lunch in the world trade center after nine eleven either
Whoa! That is a big deal if true! Source? Why isn’t anyone investigating this suspicious detail!?!?!?
Source was added.
The only day he is recorded as skipping his routine morning breakfas
Recorded.
He actually missed work. Not just breakfast.
The first plane hit at 8:46 AM.
Yeah no shit he missed work. If he was at a dermatology appointment first thing in the morning he wouldn’t have been there for breakfast when the planes hit. And once the second plane hit at 9:03, nobody but firemen were going back into the towers.
He still was preparing for his doctor’s appointment when the first plane hit the North tower at 8:46 AM. Of course he didn’t go to work thereafter.
If he really had missed work, he would have been there.
doubt the average salaryman could afford high end breakfast every day.
Why focus on this one, hard-to-prove, mostly circumstantial piece of evidence when there are many, many more pieces of concrete, direct evidence that the owner of the WTC and all the wealthiest people in the US knew about the attacks and chose to profit from them?
Such as?
The common one is that he took out the insurance policy just a month before the attacks.
But that conveniently leaves out that he had only leased the WTC complex at the same time, and part of the contract on the lease was getting insurance on the buildings.
Why does this matter?
Because OP learned it today.
Correct!
I am just pointing out facts.
The fact he missed work for a doctor’s appointment? I mean that’s pretty common and not really “news” worthy. I think most people will miss work for doctors appointments. Am i missing something?
Out of all the days, he doesn’t show up on that one. It is insanely lucky and worth pointing out.
He still would have had an 87% chance of survival if he had been at work
It is insanely lucky
Or he was in on it and was tipped off.
a lot of people also didnt show up to work that day.
it happens when theres 1000s of people in one building
Edit: Ignore this. I responded on wrong post.
I was just replying. Why are you so defensive?
I responded to the wrong person, my bad. My screen is dark as fuck.
You may not be aware, but 9/11/2001 was a pretty significant date for the World Trade Center O.o
I am aware thanks! I lived in NYC at the time. 100s (1000s?) of people have similar stories. Just don’t why this is different then any others. Is there something proving this was not just luck. That he lied?
Self own? Those are rare.
I personally don’t believe 9/11 happened
It was all a conspiracy
/s
How can they think we’d believe planes exist
/S
He bought the building for a song (about $900 million) because it was full of asbestos and required to complete a multi-billion-dollar abatement process by 01/01/2002. Most agree such a project would have taken a minimum of one year to complete. No plans were ever made to begin the abatement and he got a $1.2 billion insurance payout after they were destroyed.
Also, building seven and the attacked section of the Pentagon held all the evidence and personnel investigating the biggest financial crimes of the 90s, like Enron and their ilk.
There’s also the HUGE number of extremely high-risk puts that were purchased against the involved airlines in the week leading up to the attack. Like, 900 times more than normal, none of them expiring after the 11th, all of them suddenly paying out nearly twice what they were bought for.
Here’s a fun video with more details and sources: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vOZToel_368
He didn’t buy the towers. He leased them. Port Authority of NY and NJ owned the entire complex.
And he ended up getting $4.55 Billion from insurance, while the rebuild of the complex cost much more than that.
One WTC cost $3.9B alone. 7 WTC was another $700M. Total complex rebuild was $26B.
He ended up personally losing over a billion dollars on the complex after the attacks and rebuild.
Not sure what rando YouTube source you have that gets extremely basic facts wrong.
building for a song (about $900 million) because it was full of asbestos and required to complete a multi-billion-dollar abatement process by 01/01/2002. Most agree such a project would have taken a minimum of one year to complete.
Yeah, most people don’t realize the wtc was a really shitty building that no one really wanted to lease from. Part of the reason the collapses were so bad was because the city management had moved as many publicly run organizations headquarters there as a way to subsidize the building. One of the reasons the port authority was awal for much of the event was because the port authority headquarters was located in one of the towers.
I haven’t looked into the information that video uses for their sources about finace, but just judging by what they had to say about the engineering aspects about wtc7 collapse, I would be dubious.
The study they are talking about from the university of Alaska fairbanks is very flawed and was paid for by the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
Their conclusion was that the collapse couldn’t be accounted for by fire alone, but that ignores the fact that the structural fire was caused by large debris that penetrated multiple floors and caused a huge amount of damage to the structural supports of the building.
The study has also been proven incorrect about their assumption about fire being unable to suddenly collapse a steel framed building of that size. Since 9/11 there have 2 or three steel framed sky scrapers that have suddenly collapsed due to uncontrolled fires.
If the video’s misrepresentation about engineering is reflected in the financial portion of the video… I wouldn’t be confident that anything they said was an accurate reflection of reality.
Exactly HOW building 7 fell isn’t really relevant when it’s well-documented that the building was fully evacuated and destroyed, despite being nowhere near ground zero. It’s also very suspicious as to how the fire even started in the first place.
It might be impossible to know the exact details of how every little thing went down. But, just because you can’t determine all that doesn’t mean the narrative we’ve all been given is completely correct.
The idea that Bin Laden operated alone, independently of US influence, and without anyone in the US knowing what he was planning, stinks to high hell.
Exactly HOW building 7 fell isn’t really relevant
I think that’s called moving the goal post.
the building was fully evacuated and destroyed, despite being nowhere near ground zero.
It’s pretty normal to evacuate a building when it’s been hit by debris and has been set on fire… Also wtc7 was only 350 feet north of a near 1400 foot tower, it’s extremely easy to see why that’s still in the danger zone. You don’t even have to use your imagination, you can look up pictures of the damage caused by the debris.
It’s also very suspicious as to how the fire even started in the first place.
A large chunk of debris falling through several floors of an office building does not seem like a very suspicious reason for a fire.
But, just because you can’t determine all that doesn’t mean the narrative we’ve all been given is completely correct.
First of all, I didn’t make any claims about the narrative. I was just commenting on misleading engineering claims. Secondly, just because you can’t determine the exact details of how every little thing went down does not necessarily mean that the narrative is inherently false.
The idea that Bin Laden operated alone, independently of US influence, and without anyone in the US knowing what he was planning, stinks to high hell.
Who is making these claims? Its well known that 9/11 was political blowback from the deterioration of the US and Bin Ladens relationship the Middle East. It’s also pretty well known that several US intelligence agencies were alerted of potential terrorist attacks via airlines, and that they were being uncooperative and incompetent.
If we are evaluating competing scenario of what really happened that day we can use some reason and logic. One story requires a massive conspiracy conducted by multiple intelligence agencies, wealthy private citizens, demolition crews, and politicians… potentially hundreds to thousands of people who have all been extremely competent and have kept their mouths shut for several decades.
The other scenario requires decades of the US government doing stupid shit in the middle East, and a couple intelligence agencies with an established history of fucking around and finding out to be incompetent.
Now I’m not saying there weren’t clandestine actors who didn’t ignore credible information about a potential attack, or there isn’t funny business between the US government and a country like Saudi Arabia. But that tends to be how things go, politicians never let a good tragedy go to waste.
(I’m a different guy and I’m not arguing you on anyting else BUT:)
One story requires a massive conspiracy conducted by multiple intelligence agencies, wealthy private citizens, demolition crews, and politicians… potentially hundreds to thousands of people who have all been extremely competent and have kept their mouths shut for several decades.
Totally possible. There’ve been things of that magnitude that were hidden for decades that finally did get whistle blown, it’s entirely possible (I mean it’s almost impossible that there wouldn’t be) other things that never did get whistle blown (at least yet.)
Just look at some of the large scale operations we have come to learn about (be they leaked or later declassified), MK Ultra, MK Naomi, Operation Paperclip, Project PRISM, now they’re doing UFO disclosure so apparently that’s been real in some capacity and been covered up since like 1947, that recent Mossad deal with the pagers, pretty sure Epstein was a Mossad honeypot (but that one “isn’t proven yet.”)
“Well we know about those now” yeah and we didn’t for years before we did, it’s more likely than not that “now” is the “before we knew” years for something large and conspiratorially organized (not necessarily 9/11). To say otherwise is to assume we know everything the various agencies (CIA, FBI, Mossad) are doing, which is patently ridiculous to assume.
Furthermore I think it’d take less people “in the know” than you may think. Those agencies (namely CIA) work because of compartmentalization, the agent knows his part and any info needed to make that happen, and that’s it. The next agent in the chain knows his part and nothing more, and so on. In the end there may be only a couple people who actually know the entire picture. Also “we’ll fucking kill you and frame you for CP and destroy your entire family” will do wonders for a motherfucker’s will to speak up, and I don’t think a little murder here or there “in the interest of national security” has ever stopped the CIA before. I don’t think they’re stopping at “but you signed an NDA” for something as big as like Operation Northwoods.
Just look at some of the large scale operations we have come to learn about (be they leaked or later declassified), MK Ultra, MK Naomi, Operation Paperclip, Project PRISM, now they’re doing UFO disclosure so apparently that’s been real in some capacity and been covered up since like 1947, that recent Mossad deal with the pagers,
Those examples are a bit different in scale. Mk ultra only involved a couple hundred researches/agents. It also didn’t kill thousands of people and was first brought to public light in 1974, just a couple years after the program ended.
Project Mk Naomi involved significantly less people and was made aware to the public in 1975, 5 years after it was shut down.
Operation paperclip didn’t kill people and started leaking to the public within a year.
The Prism program didn’t kill people, began in 2008 and was famously leaked by Snowden in 2013.
As far as Ufo disclosure, I’m not really sure if that really fits into the scheme of large conspiracy. The leaks have mainly been utilized as a political tool to divert eyes from the administration, and have largely been uneventful.
The mossad pager bombs did kill dozens of people and injured thousands and we found out about who did it and how almost immediately. So I’m not sure if that aid your overarching argument.
Well we know about those now" yeah and we didn’t for years before we did, it’s more likely than not that “now” is the “before we knew” years for something large and conspiratorially organized (not necessarily 9/11). To say otherwise is to assume we know everything the various agencies (CIA, FBI, Mossad) are doing, which is patently ridiculous to assume.
The information surrounding all these examples were all illuminated within a couple years of the events. They may have not resonated with the general public, but they also were much smaller in scale and less destructive to the general public than 9/11.
I don’t think we know everything about the alphabet orgs in the government, but they really aren’t very good about keeping large and impactful programs from the public. In general the larger a secret is the harder it is to keep people quiet. I mean hypothetically, how much money would it take to insure you didn’t go to the public about your involvement with something as horrible as 9/11? What’s the likelihood that a bunch of blue collar workers are going to agree to demolish a building with people inside it?
Furthermore I think it’d take less people “in the know” than you may think. Those agencies (namely CIA) work because of compartmentalization, the agent knows his part and any info needed to make that happen, and that’s it. The next agent in the chain knows his part and nothing more, and so on.
That’s not how something like a planned demolition works… A large building usually has about 150 people working together in constant communication. It takes engineers, construction workers, explosive experts, and enough hands to lay down miles of cable. That’s just for something the size of a hotel, the towers or even wt7 would take hundreds of people working for weeks, and that’s just the deomol5 aspect. You would also have hundreds of agents working to coordinate planes, schedules, and running interference inside the buildings. It’s just not feasible.
Plus, I think even the most slow witted agent would put the pieces together after the event occured.
Also “we’ll fucking kill you and frame you for CP and destroy your entire family” will do wonders for a motherfucker’s will to speak up, and I don’t think a little murder here or there “in the interest of national security” has ever stopped the CIA before. I don’t think they’re stopping at “but you signed an NDA” for something as big as like Operation Northwoods.
There’s a reason they operate in compartmentalized cells, and it’s because secrets are famously hard to keep, even with the threat of violence. Something like 9/11 is just too large to operate successfully in the compartmentalization necessary to keep it hidden.
There’s a reason Northwood never happened, it would have impossible to keep secret
These agencies are made of people, people run their mouths. The simple fact is there hasn’t been a single credible person to come forward in the last 25 years that has stated they were part of a conspiracy surrounding 9/11. That level of secrecy is just not feasible, and is a lot less possible than the actual explanation.
Those examples are a bit different in scale. Mk ultra only involved a couple hundred researches/agents. It also didn’t kill thousands of people and was first brought to public light in 1974, just a couple years after the program ended.
You (should) get my point though, regardless of if deaths or coconspirators match up 1:1, things do happen that are orchestrated by multiple people that you and I do not know about, to believe otherwise is arrogant.
The amount deaths are irrelevant (and btw about 14 boxes of paperwork were destroyed, we’ll never know what that contained…), point is that from 50-70 when the “program shut down” (…riiiiight) 20 yr, it was still a secret program and “not happening.” 4 years later turns out the “crazies” like me suggesting a government experimental conspiracy to test acid and other mind control methods on some of our nation’s most prominent assassins and murderers and creating the hippy movement by accident were right the whole time…
As far as Ufo disclosure, I’m not really sure if that really fits into the scheme of large conspiracy. The leaks have mainly been utilized as a political tool to divert eyes from the administration, and have largely been uneventful.
It fits, they’ve said “nuh uh” for almost 80 years and lord knows how many people have been involved in the cover up, “uh huh” still means “uh huh” even if they’re only admitting it now because of Epstein (which again let me remind you is yet ANOTHER conspiracy involving conspirators that has come to light after 20yr of operation…) if I murder someone and only admit it because it distracts from my crimes coming to light, I still murdered the guy even if the admission is “a distraction” from whatever was coming to light.
The mossad pager bombs did kill dozens of people and injured thousands and we found out about who did it and how almost immediately.
And how long were they working on it before we found out? The fact you seem to think you know everything in real time baffles me, you really can’t admit that maybe large organized intelligence rings may do things you don’t know about?
I don’t think we know everything about the alphabet orgs in the government, but they really aren’t very good about keeping large and impactful programs from the public.
That you know of.
In general the larger a secret is the harder it is to keep people quiet. I mean hypothetically, how much money would it take to insure you didn’t go to the public about your involvement with something as horrible as 9/11?
A few hundered thousand bucks and the assurance that you’ll kill my family if I speak up even though I won’t be believed because I don’t have concrete proof oughta cover it.
What’s the likelihood that a bunch of blue collar workers are going to agree to demolish a building with people inside it?
Did you properly threaten their families? Makes it more likely…
Again I’m not saying that this is the case for 9/11 specifically, I’m saying “the government could never keep a secret” is patently ridiculous to assume.
There’s a reason they operate in compartmentalized cells, and it’s because secrets are famously hard to keep
Easier when
they operate in compartmentalized cells…
There’s a reason Northwood never happened
Kennedy said “Er Uh, no.”
The simple fact is there hasn’t been a single credible person to come forward in the last 25 years that has stated they were part of a conspiracy surrounding 9/11
Is that what it would take to make you finally realize you don’t know everything about everything? Well again I wasn’t even saying 9/11 was a conspiracy but now I hope that happens just so you personally can realize the world isn’t as simple as you seem to believe.
So he went to work every day for just over 2 months. Wow.
I mean, post covid that is kinda impressive but he did just sign a lease on some cool buildings. I’d go every day too. Of course there will be coincinces like this.
“work”
it was his favourite breakfast spot routine where he sometimes met for meetings.
That dude has likely never worked a day in his life
pretty sus. clearly larry silverstein did 9/11
He was the pilot
He was flying the towers!
Bin Laden didn’t blow up the projects.
