• mabeledo@lemmy.world
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    2 hours ago

    I’m not sure what you mean by all this. Your assumption is that the perception of Trump by MAGA is entirely based on a distorted view made up by Democrats, and that’s not true. He won a second term because Democrats were unpopular and the exiting president (Biden) left average folks with a piss poor economy, regardless of how high the stock market was at the time. Trump, a populist, just capitalized on that, and the fact that most people have short term memory and forgot how bad the US economy was in Trump’s last year in office.

    There’s no “understanding of the new times”. There’s no grand plan. Nothing changed in between Trump presidencies. I would even say that nothing has changed in the past twenty years or so: most voters will take the bait of a populist if they feel like they need to punish the outgoing administration.

    Trump is a bug inherent to democracy. Strongmen tend to do well when people are upset but cannot verbalize it or are unable to find the root cause. Saying that Trump’s victory is partly a consequence of how Democrats pictured him is also extremely naive, since the mf has again and again leaned on what he has been accused of.

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      53 minutes ago

      Your assumption is that the perception of Trump by MAGA is entirely based on a distorted view made up by Democrats, and that’s not true.

      No. My assumption is that Trump did very well politically in not trying to defend himself publicly from the accusation, but to stir the focus on him being persecuted because he wants to fight corruption in the governemnt. More he was ridiculed, more his point of being “the outsider that is fighting the big corrupt powers” gained credibility in the eyes of potential voters.

      Nothing changed in between Trump presidencies

      Nothing? You have as a president a felon suspected of pedophily that has no shame in insulting allies and enemies, who insults journalists and heads of state publicly without consequences and has sent gestapo in the streets. The first time i could have said as well that it’s business as usual and he was just another guy voted with the belly, but now he is openly behaving like he does things because he can. It never happened before. The rule of law has no meaning anymore, he can openly behave as a king with little to no challenge in the US. That’s the opposite of nothing. What is happening now in the US has never happened in the last 70 years.

      Saying that Trump’s victory is partly a consequence of how Democrats pictured him is also extremely naive

      It’s extremely accurate in my opinion (and not only mine, you’ll find many articles about this subjext on virtually any US newspaper). Half of the merit of trump’s victory is no doubt because of the dems and their inhability to talk to people and to relate to them. Choosing Kamala Harris as opponent, with her patronising tone, inhability to take clear stances on sensitive subject and classic politician way of talking was the nail to the coffin. If this is not understood, get ready for many more trumps in the future.

      • mabeledo@lemmy.world
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        28 minutes ago

        My assumption is that Trump did very well politically in not trying to defend himself publicly from the accusation, but to stir the focus on him being persecuted because he wants to fight corruption in the governemnt.

        You are conflating two different things.

        The “drain the swamp” rhetoric was on his first campaign. The second was promoted as the “revenge tour”. He didn’t hide he would use presidential powers for personal gain. He openly said that he would be pardoning his allies and sympathizers, regardless of the crimes they may have committed (see the Silk Road guy, who was in prison for attempted murder among other things).

        Nothing? You have as a president a felon suspected of pedophily that has no shame in insulting allies and enemies, who insults journalists and heads of state publicly without consequences and has sent gestapo in the streets.

        Read it again. Nothing has changed in between both Trump presidencies.

        But truth is, in many cases, Trump only surfaced many of the ongoing issues in the US.

        Half of the merit of trump’s victory is no doubt because of the dems and their inhability to talk to people and to relate to them

        Nobody argued otherwise.

        But they didn’t lose because of that. Over half of it was because people was ready to punish the administration because of the economy and their failure to act on sensitive issues, which in part wasn’t even their fault: the US government has been notorious for being on a permanent gridlock for the past couple of decades or so.

        If this is not understood, get ready for many more trumps in the future

        This has happened hundreds of times thorough history. Of course it will happen again. Framing it as something extraordinarily new, triggered by a master tactician who somehow redirected their opponents’ blows for his advantage, is disingenuous at best.