• Most experts agree Linux is safer than Windows

  • All scientific supercomputers use Linux

  • Professional hackers use Linux

  • Linux is the undisputed backbone of internet servers

  • Critical military infrastructure relies on Linux

Microsoft’s revenue was $300 Billion last year. They have unlimited ressources.

So why is Windows still worse than Linux ?

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    If you ever worked on any big corporation, it becomes crystal clear why things suck. Megacorps value money first, second, third, fourth and fifth. Sixth comes avoiding being caught by their crimes.

    So, Microsoft doesn’t have a vision for Windows as an operating system, it sees Windows as a way to maintain a stranglehold in office computers the world over. It doesn’t matter that most people on lemmy will say “switch to linux”, they’re not companies, they’re not bosses - these are the vast majority of Windows users and South America + Asia + Africa make up a fuckhuge market. Sure, Europe and USA have more money, but the rest have sheer numbers.

    Another thing that matters a lot is that many decisions come from the top and are enforced. If Satya Nadella or the director of whatever bullshit says something, those below have to comply. If the order from above is “cram bullshit ads in Windows Explorer, this has the highest priority”, that has to happen.

    Regarding resources, having them and allocating them in a decent manner are not the same thing. The same could be argued about USA having trillions of tax dollars and having so many people living in poverty without healthcare or even basic education. Lots of that money go to keeping their armed forces. Microsoft is not too different, they have to pay people who keep their datacenters up, pay for the energy of said datacenters, maintain several other apps they have - oh, and the CEOs bonuses, because he’s such a great leader who totally deserves billions every year!!! Of those 300bn, how much are they diverting for Windows in general? 50b? 20b? 1b? Of that, how much is going straight for security, bug tracking and quality assurance?

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    Wait… why is this a question…? I guess it’s the same as when people ask my why Adobe is so terrible, why HP is terrible or why Apple is so terrible.

    Companies eventually get so big and powerful they only care about companies.

    Stop paying for Microsoft, pirate is Stop using Microsoft office, Get libre office Stop using HP, get Lenovo or Dell instead Everyone everywhere should stop using apple.

    As much as I hate Apple/OoS and I do truly hate Apple… Adobe is the worst company on earth.

    Easiest way to explain it is that Apple and Microsoft exist just to steal all your money Adobe not only wants to steal all your money but they wanted take it all then make you pay so they can lazily explain why they took your money. HP is in the corner breaking all your furniture so they can charge you a fee to fix it and put Microsoft, apple and Adobe trash on it.

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    Linux is setting out to make an operating system. Microsoft are setting out to make a data capturing advertising billboard that sometimes runs programs.

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    Passion vs corporate.

    Corporate suits just sell surface promises and support contracts for corporate environments. It’s a totally different mindset than Linux engineers have. Theirs is that of passion for excellent software and that’s all they care about.

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    1. Linux isn’t driven by a profit-first motive, so user-centric decisions come first
    2. There is no number 2
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      Only partially user-centric decisions because the @someRandomOEM.com and @redhat.com people will send drivers with no documentation to go with it due to NDAs. Also only partially user-centric decisions because if someone is backed by a company, their solution will be pushed faster.

      People on free software adjacent forums (probably originated on linux {.} org {.} ru?) thought of a standard unit of measurement for how much pedantic force a person is able to apply. It is called “1 Poettering”, named after Lennart “Harry” Poettering. Values greater than 1 have not been observed; it is often assumed to be the highest constant similar to the speed of light. Here’s a table from (my very subjective) consensus:

      • Lennart “Harry” Poettering - 1 (the system deez nuts guy)
      • Mark “Shuttlecock” Shuttleworth - .9 (the Canonical guy)
      • Hans Reiser - .7 (ReiserFS)
      • Richard Stallman - .6 (GNU)
      • Linus Torvalds - .5 (Linux)
      • Theo De Raadt - .17 (OpenBSD)

      Maintainers of random projects that everyone takes for given are <=.1 until they riot when it becomes .6 temporarily.

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    Microsoft has pretty much lost most of their experienced employees, they’re sitting on a mountain of spaghetti code with tech debt that goes back to windows 3.1 to maintain compatibility, they’ve fired their QA team, and their absolutely out-of-touch leadership is trying to force the surviving employees to use AI anywhere they can for developing the OS to pump up the numbers of AI users to prop up their insanely huge AI gamble so shareholders don’t lose faith.

    They’re acting confident because they haven’t had to respond to a credible threat to their monopoly for 30 years, and that arrogance combined with everything mentioned above will most likely be their ultimate demise. The corporate system they have created and perpetuated is no longer capable of righting the ship, both technologically and organizationally.

    They made a statement years ago now about how they were going to respond to the success of the steamdeck by creating a handheld mode for windows, but they never did, and Valve ate their lunch and allowed Linux to gain a foothold among gamers. They probably couldn’t manage building that handheld mode (it’s been so many years now, but I read a post from a Microsoft employee detailing how it could take something crazy like a week of work just to add a new menu entry to a drop-down without it introducing major breakages elsewhere).

    They haven’t been able to develop a killer app or feature for Windows in over a decade, and I don’t think there’s anything else under their sleeve. I believe we are actively witnessing the downfall of an ossified giant, just as the once great Commodore fell due to incompetence and extreme corporate greed.

    They already use Linux for their server division (azure). Eventually, if Linux is able dominate on the desktop in the next decade, they may shift to selling their own Linux distro with a 100% windows compatible container/VM instead, an inversion of their current model of selling Windows with their optional WSL (windows subsystem for Linux).

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    Different design priorities - MS devs aim to make the OS a marketing tool for other products, which are continuously obsoleted to encourage repeated re-buying. Linux devs aim to make stuff work.

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    Apart from what everyone here is saying, which is probably mostly true, I want to add that the Windows division in microsoft isn’t the biggest either in terms of revenue or funding; it’s not even second. The office team is much bigger for instance - so Windows has not been Microslops priority for a good 15 years i’d say. My 2 cents

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      Also the number of developers and amount of money put into something doesn’t make it is necessarily better. I almost want to think that fewer developers and less money on Windows is a good thing considering Microslop only ever wants to increase operating costs in order to make more revenue.

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        True but my impression is that in contrast to other divisions it probably doesn’t get the focus, resources or the vision it needs. It’s just a means to sell their other stuff, so all the great people will choose to work for other teams. I remember seeing a discussion with Dave Cutler (if i remember his name correctly) a few years ago saying he left the windows team to work on xbox and azure because it was much more interesting - i know the guy has done it all and was looking for something different but it didn’t seem very encouraging

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    Easy, their objective is to make money, not develop software. Linux is made and maintained by users, for users…

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    Corporate culture. Microsoft may be one company to us outsiders, but internally they are a ton of different divisions divided into teams. All those teams have their own agendas, priorities, and competing visions.

    If you just look at the Windows kernel project, it’s really good.

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      Came to say “culture”. This is the thing most average Americans struggle with. We’ve had capitalism drilled into us from birth. Want something better? Pay more. Full stop.

      Somehow we miss there is so much more to being a society than just transactional interactions. Not that the open source community doesn’t have its problems but it fundamentally is approached differently. With no profit motive why would you spend a single minute of your precious time doing anything for another person, especially a stranger?

      That is at the heart of it, but you can decompose it into leadership (or a lack of it), misaligned incentives, intercompany politics, atrophying innovation, and on and on with the corpo buzzwords.

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    Linux was built by engineers and professors based on idealistic values like progress and collaboration. Windows was also built by talented nerds, but at the direction of suits with the goal of making money.

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      And now they’re ripping all the shit the talented nerds made out and replacing it with AI slop and ads.

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      Yep! Like every other tech company.

      Engineers want to make something work with the stability to last a long time.

      But lasting a long time cuts into profits.