They should just spend that money on an ad campaign for the non emergency line
Without reducing headcount, right? Right?
Companies are already going away from such ideas…
Is this a good idea…
no
maybe to have in cases where they are under to much load, such as a massive emergency where they get way more calls than they can handle.
as a backup only.
but even then it’ll encourage them to have less personnel.
never had a conversation that didn’t hallucinate every now and then
A lot depends on the implementation rather than the idea itself. I’ve read plenty of stories of people stuck on hold with 9-1-1 - including deaths - as well as cases where they’ve been hung up on by shitty operators.
An AI system might be able to do some basic triage to prioritize calls for the human operators and actually result in faster access/response and saved lives. It might also be able to do things like transcribing information such as addresses or location for responders. If the AI is planned to be a replacement for humans rather than an augmentation though, lives will likely be lost
Customer support is annoying or whatever but this is horrifying. Several people will die because of this.
you’re too concerned about those “consequences” but have you considered that they get to fire people as well and save money?
did you think of all the taxes they’ll cut from the rich? no, you only think about yourself and what will happen to you in an emergency
did you think of all the taxes they’ll cut from the rich? no, you only think about yourself and what will happen to you in an emergency
This is what it comes down to.
Rich people matter.
It says for non-emergency calls.
It might actually help with real emergency calls getting through faster.
If someone calls 911 how on earth do you know its a non-emergency before speaking with someone?
Unless the AI fucks up and makes it sound like an emergency.
I know, and maybe it will, my faith is just very low.
One thing left unclear is how the determination is made about emergency versus non emergency.
If it’s a separate number, ok, seems clear cut enough.
If it’s human always answers and if it’s some bullshit they just click a button to punt to AI instead of just hanging up, ok.
If they are saying the AI answers and does the triage and hands off immediately to a human when “emergency detected”, then I could see how that promise could fail.
The important thing is that they can tune this to attempt to hold false negatives constant while decreasing false positive rate.
Oh you want to talk directly to a person? You need to subscribe to 911+. For only $4.99 a month, you get the following perks…
Just unlock it using your white voice.
You kid but voice recognition doesn’t handle accents as well wherein accents is defined as anything other than what you hear on the news.
I wonder how many hundreds of millions of dollars they’ve set aside for settlements.
Imagine your chatbot hallucinating as it tries to assist you in your life and death critical situation.
“To preform chest compression place both hand in the center of the subjects chest. Apply a rthymic steady pumping action until the subject wakes up. If the subject does not wake continue chest compressions until the subject wakes up. If the subject does not wake continue chest compressions until the subject wakes up. If the subject does not wake up seek medical advice, or call 911.”
“To apply a large bandage, peel back the red pull tab to expose the badage-aid, place wound over the white pad and wrap the wrap firmly around the skin. Finally adiminister 50mg of Goprelto to ease the pain.”
I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that
“I said this like 3 time already! Get me to the hospital for fucks sake, I’m gonna die in this situation if y’all don’t send someone soon…”
AI: “Understood, ‘Hostage Situation’. Sending a SWAT Team…”
People will inevitably die as a result of this change. Call your representatives
People with protection detail and staff don’t need 911.
How many more people could they hire to take these for the same price they are paying open ai?
Have you ever heard a 911 call? People don’t speak in complete sentences. Not everyone speaks English. They yell. They cry. They whisper. There’s background noise. Sometimes they need instructions on CPR or first aid. They may not know where they are. This is a recipe for disaster.
And those ones would presumably be forwarded directly to the human staff. The point of this system is to filter out non-emergency calls.
How long is it going to take to determine that its an emergency? How many are going to mis-identify as a non-emergency. Unless its in the middle of a large emergency where its bound to be overloaded by many callers it should always be a person that classifies this.
And what examples of ai makes you think that it will be 100% accurate because that’s what is needed in this situation. Not a single one of those calls can be lost in the shuffle.
If your standard is 100% accuracy and not a single call lost, then the existing human-staffed system fails at that too.
Exactly how hell is the system going determine non and emergency calls. Didn’t know when you call 911 you have to make choices. So is it like calling customer service?
I thought point 911 was I got a human immediately on the phone that can help me.
In an ideal world, if it’s someone who immediately mentions that it’s third time they’ve called this week about a neighbor having a dead tree in their garden, or someone’s mad because someone else parked in “their” spot, someone’s calling the fire department on someone having a bbq or someone’s stubbed their toe, that sort of thing can get put way down the “call back later” list
Everything else gets put through to a person. In LA it’s not unusual to wait 15+ minutes after you call 911; most cities are going to be shorter, and if the wait is under a minute, you don’t need the AI triage. If you do have a wait and block out 25% of calls which are obviously a waste of time with AI, you can significantly reduce that (ideally in addition to hiring more operators, but let’s be realistic…)
Either LA is fully broken and needs to be thrown away or you are lying. Leaning towards the latter. I’ve never not got a person right away ever.
It’s not an emergency if it can wait 15 minutes. So the line just doesn’t work for its intended purpose. That’s extraordinary failure.
Just wait until you realize that extraordinary failure oozes into everything
Don’t start your statement off like that. I get where you are coming from but we aren’t like the next road over from ideal, we went off grid 17 turns ago. This shit will be used to cut staff. End of story. It will be used irresponsibly.
one of the most important factors with emergency services is that there is as little delay as possible. and that starts at the phone call. if everyone is delayed by this screening, and then they’ll maybe get through to a person, it’ll be much less likely that the person calling will be able to even just get assistance in time
Read the article.
Kehoe countered that the AI system would interact only with nonemergency callers and that emergency calls to 911 would be routed only to human dispatchers. In fact, she added, “on nonemergency calls, it might detect those elevated stress levels [for callers] and it will automatically default going to a human being as well.”
“There are a lot of safeguards,” Kehoe added, “to ensure that even with the tiniest bit of doubt, we don’t have someone just sitting on the phone and not getting help.”
The AI system will only reroute calls that it can determine are not emergency calls. The default will be to let the calls through to the human staff. It’s not going to be some sort of primitive “press 1 if you are currently on fire” menu system.
Very few people call the police non-emergency line because few people even know it and everyone knows 911
Have many emergencies that aren’t transferred does there have to be before it’s unacceptable? I’d say if one person calls with an emergency, gets AI, and doesn’t get transferred, then the entire system is failed and someone should go to jail.
What is wrong with the current setup? I bet a person can direct non emergency traffic faster than any AI, because they can actually comprehend a person and think. It’s not broken, someone is just about to make a fuck load of money at the expense of people not getting through to emergency services.
I’d say if one person calls with an emergency, gets AI, and doesn’t get transferred, then the entire system is failed and someone should go to jail.
Alright, let’s go with that standard for purposes of argument.
If one person calls the emergency line with an emergency and doesn’t get through because the human dispatchers are currently overwhelmed with non-emergency calls, does that mean the entire current system is failed and someone should go to jail?
We have the best 911 dispatchers in the world, because of jail
If one person calls the emergency line with an emergency and doesn’t get through because the human dispatchers are currently overwhelmed with non-emergency calls, does that mean the entire current system is failed and someone should go to jail?
I don’t think so, because currently there is no artificial delay. if someone has to be got rid of, that is the person(s) who are keeping the call center short staffed, whoever that is and whatever high up the chain they are
I would say there’s a failure in the body responsible for hiring and paying people to answer emergency calls. The only reason there is a shortage is because they are under paying employees. So yes, but AI, like everywhere else it’s been implemented, will fall short of what’s needed and will ultimately cost more financially, with the exception that in this case, lives could also be lost.
There’s without a doubt a problem, but AI isn’t the solution.
There’s without a doubt a problem, but AI isn’t the solution.
Unless it literally is. Do you know that it won’t be? What other example do you have to base your assertion on?
it might detect those elevated stress levels [for callers] and it will automatically default going to a human being
Damn. I get ice cold emotionless during an emergency, going straight to the point of reciting location and event when calling 911. Now I will have to also remember in the back of my mind to throw in a wavering voice and a couple of shrieks maybe to have my call routed properly. What a future.
The opposite is extremely common too. People get on the phone and instantly go into raw panic mode and yell about 500 words at you before you’ve even had a chance to read your greeting. After putting down some choice words to control them a bit, you find out they found a bag of weed in their teenager’s bag or their neighbour’s playing music too loud.
To make it worse, it’ll quickly get figured out and people will be calling in “oh my God! he’s trying to kill me”, get transferred to a person and be like “so, it’s 3pm in a Saturday and my neighbors are playing their music too loud!”
I have a hard time putting faith in their promise that it won’t affect anyone poorly. They’re just handwaving criticism away with statements that make this AI seem like magic with zero explanation of actual details.
the AI system would interact only with nonemergency callers and that emergency calls to 911 would be routed only to human dispatchers
Who makes this determination?
Again, did you read the article?
Or even the comment I wrote that you are responding to right now? I said the answer to this in the comment you’re responding to.
Both, and no, your
quotecomment and the article conflict.What does the article say, then? You know the answer, go ahead and correct me.
Somebody is going to get killed from this.
For sure.
If they’ve got a problem with non-emergency callers dialing 911, surely it would be best to try and reduce that problem through other means (such as fining persistent inappropriate use of 911)
I don’t want to talk to a robot when I’m on the floor dying.
I think the non-emergency number should be heavily advertised. I have no idea what the local one for me is (if it even exists)
Promoting that the nunber exists as a actual thing people should use is good, yeah. :)
The actual number isn’t so important, though. If ever needed to call the non-emergency number I’d search it up, which fortunately I can do given I’ve got loads of time because it’s not an emergency.
I would bet there are large swaths of people that don’t know there is a nonemergency number to look up.
Maybe they need to send something out to residents every six months or something, letting them know about the non-emergency number because I have this exact same issue. I’ve lived here for three years and have no idea if a non-emergency number even exists. It probably does. I just haven’t looked it up because I haven’t even thought about it.
What happens if you put “police your_city” in your favorite search engine? I tried it with my current city and the village where I grew up, and both led me to the phone number in reasonable time.
That does work (actually ‘non emergency city state’). But as another comment mentions, the public knowing it exists is more important than the number itself.
Well…I’m anti-AI as it gets, and I don’t support this measure, but I would like to point out if you’re on the floor dying, that WOULD be an emergancy call.
And an LLM determining that accurately would be a dice roll.
A young person died in my youth crisis shelter because instead of getting 911, I was first redirected to a semi-literate moron working in a VOIP “call center”. Her Southern Alabama drawl was so severe I could not even recognize she was speaking English at first. This “call center” was also “experiencing higher than normal call volumes”.
Last week I was driving by a wooden apartment complex and I noticed that somebody’s unattended barbecue had gone poof and the balcony was burning. I called 911 and it took 4 minutes to get directed to the fire department.
I’m dumbfounded. I’d be furious if it took more than 20 seconds
I’m a dispatcher (not in the USA) and our managers start flipping out and running round like their heads are on fire if the wait time reaches 30 seconds. If there’s more than 3 calls in the emergency queue then they sit down and take them themselves (If you’ve ever worked in any call centre at all, emergency or not, you’ll know shit has to really hit the fan before management will consider doing this!)
Usually high queue time/numbers are just multiple calls for the same incident (think large RTC’s or very public assaults/stabbings right in the middle of a heavily trafficked city centre) so we can get that queue down very quickly, especially as 99% of the time any call after the initial one will simply be “we’re already aware and we’ve got crews en route, bye”.
AI is succeeding at exactly the things it’s supposed to: laundering accountability and responsibility. This measure will succeed in accomplishing that. Not everyone is a true believer, a lot of them just see the possibility of using “super intelligent AI” as a smoke screen to completely hide the need for statistical deaths to drive profitability/reduce costs and the responsibility of making those decisions while shutting out the average person’s ability to engage with any system beyond that AI smokescreen.
