• Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.worldOP
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    The data you’re citing would falsely indicate closer to 100mil every 10 years. Started a tally in 1990, its 2026 and it included millions of pre 90s deaths. Now whose inflating😉. The 420 million figure isn’t a measured death toll caused by capitalism. About 90% comes from deaths associated with hunger and inadequate healthcare, and the site makes the additional causal assumption that those deaths are attributable to capitalism. Show me the counterfactual proving those people would have survived under a non-capitalist system. Especially when considering the billions of dollars capitalist countries give in aid internationally and domestically. Also, global child mortality has fallen massively during the same period the site is counting these deaths as capitalism’s toll. The under-five mortality rate fell about 60% from 1990 to 2024, while the site attributes millions of ongoing deaths to capitalism.

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      About 90% comes from deaths associated with hunger and inadequate healthcare, and the site makes the additional causal assumption that those deaths are attributable to capitalism

      Yeah? You want to try applying this standard to your own numbers first.

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      Show me the counterfactual proving those people would have survived under a non-capitalist system.

      Are you going to apply the same standard to your original claim? How many of the alleged 200 million would have survived under a non-communist system?

      Data’s messy… I get it. The actual mechanics of tallying all of this don’t matter quite as much as applying those rules consistently. It would be a bit unreasonable for you to ask for a counterfactual tally of deaths under capitalism if you’re unable to provide one for deaths under communism.

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      Uh decreases in child mortality is a result from non-profit, state-driven public health initiatives and mass vaccination campaigns, publicly funded sanitation, and universal health protocols rather than market driven incentives. Credit belongs to public infrastructure, not private market distribution. You can thank socialism for this.

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          Well The World Health Organization attributes reductions in child mortality primarily to public health interventions, such as expanded immunization programs, water treatment, and maternal health services, rather than market-driven healthcare.

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              No that’s not what you are saying. You’re completely missing the distinction between market mechanisms and public infrastructure:

              You cited the drop in child mortality as proof that capitalism works.

              Especially when considering the billions of dollars capitalist countries give in aid internationally and domestically. Also, global child mortality has fallen massively during the same period the site is counting these deaths as capitalism’s toll. The under-five mortality rate fell about 60% from 1990 to 2024.

              But in reality: Declining child mortality is explicitly driven by non-profit, state-administered public health interventions, clean water infrastructure, mass vaccination programs, and public sanitation.

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      About 90% comes from deaths associated with hunger and inadequate healthcare, and the site makes the additional causal assumption that those deaths are attributable to capitalism

      Ah the good ol tactic of “these people didn’t die due to covid, but they died while having covid.”