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The anti-piracy efforts of the RIAA and MPAA (and the publishing houses and…) are still pretty robust, but that didn’t stop any of the big AI companies from using gigatons of copyrighted material as datasets to train their LLMs. It’s why when you ask them to generate an image featuring Winnie The Pooh, they all know what you’re talking about.
But the big companies absolutely did not get permission to do this. Nor did anyone give permission to allow for the recent jailbreaks by AI task systems to hack into other companies. If that were any singular human (not of the owner class) they’d face charges under the CFAA. But since it’s a massive company with an army of blue-haired lawyers, nothing was done about it, and the companies actually bragged about their AIs escaping containment.
Extinction by AI takeover is far more interesting than extinction by global drought.
Obviously fuck Meta, but the difference is the publishing. Scraping and copying for personal or business use is a civil matter. And machine learning from unlicensed material is also fine - as long as the material isn’t “memorized” and an AI model can’t reproduce it.
Aaron bravely published the papers which is a criminal matter. That is why I believe copyright and IP law is the real theft, they take down copies for people to learn from.
There are many many millions of people who read and learned from pirated textbooks and who use those skills to do things. Who watched pirated amines or comics use that to learn how to draw.
Basically we should not be siding with the unethical side of IP law just to oppose AI corporations. They can afford to buy the books and media, and a simple purchase will do. And they can afford the lawsuits. And they will figure out the memorization problem, so that AI models learn but not memorize (which is only happens in like 1% of the cases and only when you specifically ask for something “just like that”).
China (so far) is saying that the AI models they produce should be open weight and be available to all people on earth. So if we have any issues it should be with the monopolization of AI models that concentrate this new developing immense power of AI in the hands of a few plutocrats. Which the IP laws might actually help them with.
If only we could figure out the difference between these two things, we could learn so much! Alas, it is unknowable.
Obligatory FUCK SPEZ
RIP Aaron.
Fuck Congress and the DoJ as well. How the fuck can Reddit still have Section 230 protections after what spez did?
Aaron is definately on my wall of heroes. I think much of our leadership does not understand how despite there being billions of people on the planet they are not just fungible commodities. That we lose every time and stunt our growth. I by no means mean we should have more populationa as what we have is to much for the biosphere. Its about smartly using what we have than thinking you can just replace a person with another.
Fuck what they did to that guy. We should have revolted then.
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More like we’ve known, but it’s been more tolerable until recently. We got frog boiled, and are just realizing we’re cooked.
Democracy was always a mirage, it was only for rich white guys in the beginning, not the enslaved Africans and genocided natives. We’ve found ways around giving liberty to at least some portion of people continuously since.
Because Swartz didn’t have a legion of expensive lawyers at his disposal. ☹️
Because Swartz was merely a natural person, while Meta is an almighty corporation. Everybody knows only corporations deserve rights, duh!
the profits have spoken
Goddamn, that’s good
Because Swartz wanted a free and open web and the powers that be wanted control over every major social media website. This was around the same that moot showed up in Epstein’s emails and would later sell his site. All in the run up to the 2016 election. Now think about how /r/thedonald stayed on the site for so long.
And was murdered by the US government.
Lol, doesn’t matter if you have expensive lawyers. What matters is that you have counsel that goes to church with the judge or plays golf at the country club with them, or knows people that do. Or you’re a Zionists genocide supporter and pedophile like Alan Dershowitz.
expensive lawyers
Aaron was not charged with scraping public servers, he was charged with unauthorized access. He “hacked” the server. Meta just scraped publicly accessible information.
Let’s be clear about this: Aaron absolutely had authorized access.
I’m on Aaron’s side, but didn’t he break into a network closet and patch directly into their servers?
It’s splitting hairs but the law treats breaking and entering very differently than remote access. When I went to school, I had a job on campus but I’m sure the University would have considered it illegal if I broke into the utility closet of the building I worked in.
But he did have access via university. Besides, my understanding is he was scraping research journals, many of which would not have been possible without grants from tax dollars. Meaning the mere fact that the research is publicly funded means the journals should also be public.But they didn’t even prove he distributed them. For all we know, he was planning to have an AI use them for training and apparently that isn’t a problem.
You do realize as well that almost every site you visit makes API requests. And you can then use the same API to request other data directly. And the difference between “public” and unauthorized access often comes down to whether you used the same API that your browser would call, but instead decided to make other calls to it directly.
but instead decided to make other calls to it directly.
Like with command line tools? But that’d be hacking! Egads!
Is it a B&E if the door is wide open…or would that just be an ‘E’?
If you let your neighbor walk in to your house as he pleases…can you get mad at him if he walks in like Cosmo Kramer while you’re shagging your wife? Assuming you’re not into that, of course.
What if he had noble intents…like he heard the moans and thought you were at work and he was about to break up an affair or stop a rape or have some leftovers?
Bruh, can you lick metas boots any harder? There’s so many examples of them using unauthorized access even long before llm’s were a thing…but even if that wasn’t the case, they just fucking bragged about their “ai” hacking other companies. Stop spreading lies for the billionaires, it’s pathetic.
Take it easy. artyom might just be mistaken you don’t need to turn it into a class war.
At this point it already has been turned into a class war. They get away with so many crimes and just a slap on the wrist. If an individual does it life sentences. Almost like the laws are made to be broken by the rich.
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I am not “licking boots”, I am discussing facts. And I’m gonna keep doing it.
There’s so many examples of them using unauthorized access even long before llm’s were a thing
Sure, there’s an endless list of awful things they’ve done, but that’s not what’s being discussed here.
And women used to be burned at the stake because society didn’t like them, now they just get paid lower wages. It’s called progress…
Edit: I guess we aren’t doing dark sarcasm in the classroom today, huh?
