I (struggle to) use arch (in disposable VMs, not my actual machine) btw
You don’t actually have to be 1337 to use arch
You don’t have to, no. But you should. Not understanding how a system works that you fundamentally completely set up yourself is setting you up for massive failure. That’s like using unreal engine and only relying on blueprints without understanding C++.
If you want Arch without knowing shit about arch, there’s plenty of distros you can use. Stop trying to be cool. Pick something that fits your use case.
You don’t actually have to be 1337 to use arch
Omarchy users in shambles right now. oh who am I kidding, they can’t read.
Installing arch won’t give you anymore understanding of how system works, at least no more than installer would, linux systems are somewhat hard to understand especially if you aren’t deeply involved with them. Also that understanding requires so much peripheral knowledge of linux to start with, it’s not even funny. Like you can start on disk partitioning and it would take a week to explain everything you can do, look at this pie: encryption, vdo, lvm, different filesystems, billion things available in device mapper, then systemd mounts etc., etc…
Installing it manually will at least give you all the tools to fix your boot loader or troubleshoot an issue that prevents you from booting.
… there’s a reason why I said arch(install).
I appreciate your PSA, my point is maintaining arch properly sounds more challenging than the actual process of installing arch using archinstall.
And like I said in the explaination, I use arch just for random VM shit , precisely because you can set up arch in like 2 mins using arch install in a braindead manner, just like patrick. It’s how I slop it into VMs.
Oh I get it, dw. But I often see memes like that used as “excuses” for technically illiterate people who want to be cool and use arch without understanding it. Like, it’s not about gatekeeping, it’s about people using software they are unable to handle and use, not because they’re dumb, but usually because there’s just no interest in learning these things. That’s the whole reason we had this AUR problem a few weeks ago, and that just kinda pissed me off so I’m reacting a bit allergic to these kind of memes.
That’s the whole reason we had this AUR problem a few weeks ago, and that just kinda pissed me off so I’m reacting a bit allergic to these kind of memes.
I had some fun trying to get started with buildbot and looked at packages that were pre-requisites and some of them were on AUR and I noped the fuck away from that shit precisely for that reason.
I need to have set up a lil’ debian to have done this shit in an env that I am familiar with, but archinstall is that easy and carefree that I can’t be bothered for debian installer to take ages in each step.
If you ever want to sweat and earn some knowledge that manual install process is a way to use up two weekends doing just that if it’s your first time.
Dammit, that makes me want to steal a laptop just to fuck with arch
honestly once you learn how to install Gentoo and/or NetBSD every other install is an absolute cake walk.
Really though like you said it’s valuable knowledge to learn.
Not using installer more often than not is a good indicator of being tryhard and not something to brag about (like who cares how exactly have you installed OS, something that you do once in a few years).
I think I get what you’re saying, but you might want to fix up the way you said it to be clearer, for your own clarity of expression.
Sorry, I’m getting less and less proficient with english.
no worries, the sentence was grammatically correct, just an unwieldy one any native speaker can make from time to time
My current copy of arch on my laptop was manually installed by using pacstrap running on my previous nixos installation because i didn’t have a usb drive with me. i don’t really recommend that route it isnt very well supported
