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minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up8·17 hours agoWhich attempts have been similar to the EU, and not just conquests? The closest I can think of is maybe the Habsburg dynasty, and I think we can agree that that had its own unique issues going on
minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2arrow-down4·16 hours agoNapoleon is the closest. A lot of the legal, judicial, and administrative civil code remains today.
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up16arrow-down1·16 hours agoIn what fucking world was Napoleon’s attempt not a series of conquests?
minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down6·edit-215 hours agoEuropean history all is just conquests
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up9·14 hours ago…so there has not been an attempt like the EU
minus-squareCAVOK@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2·8 hours agoThe Hansa was something of a proto-EU.
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·8 hours agoThat’s an interesting comparison I hadn’t considered, but isn’t it more like the current EU than the hypothetical federalised EU under discussion?
minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1arrow-down6·14 hours agoThere has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia…
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up11·14 hours agoMate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That’s not a separate attempt. That’s the same one.
minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2arrow-down8·14 hours agoLol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one. That’s centralising power, and it always fails.
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up8·14 hours ago “Lol no. Actually it was exactly what you said”
Which attempts have been similar to the EU, and not just conquests? The closest I can think of is maybe the Habsburg dynasty, and I think we can agree that that had its own unique issues going on
Napoleon is the closest. A lot of the legal, judicial, and administrative civil code remains today.
In what fucking world was Napoleon’s attempt not a series of conquests?
European history all is just conquests
…so there has not been an attempt like the EU
The Hansa was something of a proto-EU.
That’s an interesting comparison I hadn’t considered, but isn’t it more like the current EU than the hypothetical federalised EU under discussion?
There has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia…
Mate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That’s not a separate attempt. That’s the same one.
Lol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one.
That’s centralising power, and it always fails.