How is Venezuela getting bombed to hell going to maintain sovereignty? What do you expect them to other than get millions of people killed by american bombs? There is no path to sovereignty for Venezuela at present.
There is mass death and destruction or there is strategic retreat.
You are an ultra because you are not looking at the situation from a materialist perspective you are flouting idealist bullshit. Explain a path Venezuela could take that didn’t get millions of people killed.
That same reasoning can be applied to the entire world except Russia and China. The whole world should bend the knee to the almighty USA. Nothing they can do. You are an ultra if you do not call for total global submission
That is not the reasoning I am putting forth and it is incedibly childish and stupid to suggest that.
Again if you have a plan that Venezuela could enact other than getting bombed to hell please explain it. If not shut the fuck up and let the people who’s lives are in the balance decide their path forward.
A b52 can fly from any base in the contiguous usa to Venezuela and back without refueling. usa may not have many standoff weapons or missiles but they still have hundreds of thousands of dumb bombs, enough to turn every town in Venezuela into a mirror of Gaza. They could do bombing runs all day every day for weeks and the pilots could go home to their families when they weren’t doing genocide.
Also true of Belize, Costa Rica, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, Jamaica, Nicaragua, Panama, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay. Should they all give up on all morsels of sovereignty they have and give all their resources to the USA? Again, why is Venezuela the only country you think needs to do this? The precedent you are setting and arguments you are making means global dominance for the USA. It’s beyond cowardly and has nothing to do with socialism or class struggle, just Liberal moralizing and utilitarianism.
yes, every country in the monroe doctrine must consider the monroe doctrine. are you gonna be the one personally beating the shit out of every single air force pilot as they fly towards venezuela? if not, maybe consider that those pilots might actually be able to reach venezuela, and no one in the global north will be facing the consequences of letting them.
There are more ways to fight imperialism than getting mass murdered.
Do you not know the history of Latin America? Every one of those countries that tried having a socialist government got couped by fascist backed by usa and then had death squads and mass killings for years… on top of their resources being plundered. That is what Venezuela is avoiding.
Its really fucking brave of you to sit in your comfy chair and ignorantly demand Venezuelans do the exact thing other people tried which lead to millions of people being murdered for an idealist notion of sovereignty.
For the third time I will ask you, What do you propose Venezuela does instead? If you don’t have an answer other then “get genocided” just shut the fuck up.
Ultras: Maintain sovereignty
Based real materialists: Sell out everything to the USA and give up and lie about what you’re doing
How is Venezuela getting bombed to hell going to maintain sovereignty? What do you expect them to other than get millions of people killed by american bombs? There is no path to sovereignty for Venezuela at present.
There is mass death and destruction or there is strategic retreat.
You are an ultra because you are not looking at the situation from a materialist perspective you are flouting idealist bullshit. Explain a path Venezuela could take that didn’t get millions of people killed.
That same reasoning can be applied to the entire world except Russia and China. The whole world should bend the knee to the almighty USA. Nothing they can do. You are an ultra if you do not call for total global submission
That is not the reasoning I am putting forth and it is incedibly childish and stupid to suggest that.
Again if you have a plan that Venezuela could enact other than getting bombed to hell please explain it. If not shut the fuck up and let the people who’s lives are in the balance decide their path forward.
What makes Venezuela so uniquely needing to be subservient to the USA that doesn’t equally apply to the entire world outside of Russia/China?
Proximity and a lack of air defense.
A b52 can fly from any base in the contiguous usa to Venezuela and back without refueling. usa may not have many standoff weapons or missiles but they still have hundreds of thousands of dumb bombs, enough to turn every town in Venezuela into a mirror of Gaza. They could do bombing runs all day every day for weeks and the pilots could go home to their families when they weren’t doing genocide.
Also true of Belize, Costa Rica, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, Jamaica, Nicaragua, Panama, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay. Should they all give up on all morsels of sovereignty they have and give all their resources to the USA? Again, why is Venezuela the only country you think needs to do this? The precedent you are setting and arguments you are making means global dominance for the USA. It’s beyond cowardly and has nothing to do with socialism or class struggle, just Liberal moralizing and utilitarianism.
yes, every country in the monroe doctrine must consider the monroe doctrine. are you gonna be the one personally beating the shit out of every single air force pilot as they fly towards venezuela? if not, maybe consider that those pilots might actually be able to reach venezuela, and no one in the global north will be facing the consequences of letting them.
this is pathetic. Call yourself a socialist but advocate for total subservience to imperialism. Detestable.
There are more ways to fight imperialism than getting mass murdered.
Do you not know the history of Latin America? Every one of those countries that tried having a socialist government got couped by fascist backed by usa and then had death squads and mass killings for years… on top of their resources being plundered. That is what Venezuela is avoiding.
Its really fucking brave of you to sit in your comfy chair and ignorantly demand Venezuelans do the exact thing other people tried which lead to millions of people being murdered for an idealist notion of sovereignty.
For the third time I will ask you, What do you propose Venezuela does instead? If you don’t have an answer other then “get genocided” just shut the fuck up.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_40.htm
This is how socialists talk.
“Some people might die if we try to do socialism and resist the epstein billionaires taking over our country”
This is how you talk