First things first, I don’t doubt it is a bad thing, considering who supports it and who doesn’t.
But my question is what exactly is the issue and what is the current and proposed voting process when it comes to IDs?
Here in my EU country, you have to show some version of a government ID, be it an ID card, drivers license or passport. And we don’t have to pre-register to vote.
You LITERALLY cannot register to vote without already being a fucking citizen.
The ID thing is a complete non issue bullshit smoke screen to disenfranchise voters.
Not yelling at you at all, but this issue makes my blood boil.
It’s not in a vacuumm, but when you look at the material conditions in the US, the way it is argued to happen is really for one reason only: voter suppression. I always said if anyone was arguing for it in good faith, they would set in motion a multiple-year program with a dedicated agency that’s sole goal is to make sure every eligible voter has an ID first, and then make it a requirement. The way things are, many eligible voter have been kept from aquiring IDs via various historical and beuracratic systems.
True, but without taking IDs at polling places, I can go claim to be my non-voting friend without even needing a disguise.
Not that I’m saying it’s common (nor could any of us possibly know if it was), but it is possible.
I’ve never once had to prove I am whoever I say I am at the little table they set up, “if I wasn’t, then why would I say I am” always works.
Is it common? How would we know? By investigating.
Come on, quit thinking abstractly and use reality as a test. Trump has been looking for those fake voters for a decade. A decade! He didn’t find any… Why is that? Not because of your master plan, my friend. But because voter fraud is just not happening on a measurable scale… Or, to put it differently, are you smarter than state election officials and the DoJ? And even if one of you is, scale that up. How many people are as magical as you?
To be fair, I’m now (well recently, little late now) being told that we can’t trust the machines to be accurate make sure you vote early by mail yadda yadda Trump blah blah, so who knows.
But more to the point, have you ever done anything and not gotten caught? Tree falls in the woods and all. It’s not like voting for Bruce Campbell leaves behind evidence that I’m not Steve, they are not checking the cameras, Steve isn’t just gonna haul off and vote by surprise, he’s not dead unless I haven’t been informed of a tragic accident today, nobody even knows a crime occurred but me, how do you count that in your stats? You don’t.
Yeah apparently.
I’d imagine more than you’d think, I’m not Neo I just say my name is Steve and they say “here you go Steve” and then I say “thank you have a nice day” and leave. It’s exactly like the process for voting regularly, I’m just not the guy I say I am, it isn’t rocket surgery.
We have the data on how often this happens, spoiler, it doesn’t, who does it, almost exclusively republicans, and how it happens generally, which is dead relatives.
The call is coming from inside the home!
Pick one lol.
But how do you know I don’t go vote in place of my friend every time and write in Bruce Campbell because I think it’s funny, and I just don’t get caught? There’s literally no way to know, he’d have to vote for once to catch me.
It’s like my mom said when I was a kid “you get caught EVERY TIME you do bad stuff…” yes mom, every time. Pay no attention to the 500 nights you didn’t catch me sneaking out, must not have snuck out yup that’s it, nothing to see here…
Well it’s far simpler than you think. If your friend votes, then two votes bynhim show up. Easy detect. If you friend doesn’t, they also probably didn’t bother to register. So trying to vote as them won’t work, and will get you identified. You need someone you know registered and you know isn’t going to vote. It’s not super common to have that kind of situation and truely know they won’t vote. Thus they mentioned the dead relative situation. But that is detectable on audit.
Covered that already:
There’s a reason I’m referring to my non-voting friend as non-voting, it’s to imply that he doesn’t vote, so that kinda sorta precludes the whole “he votes” thing anyway because the premise is that he does not, in fact, vote.
He was born with a penis, he’s registered for the draft since 18 and therefore to vote since 18 as well, because those are coupled for people born with a penis. Unless he changes his name (unlikely) or political affiliation (for what, to vote in primaries? He doesn’t vote.) Technically he should re-register because he changed his address, but again why would he if he doesn’t vote? Literally no consequences could befall him, there’s no incentive for him to do it. Bro I’m still registered at my mom’s despite having bought a house (which the government knows about because it’s public info), because it’s easier to just drive 15min to my old polling place every few years than to go fill out a form, been doing it for years, and I vote! There’s no way in hell he’s ever going to change that address from his parents’ just to continue not voting.
Literally all 18+ AMABs in the US
Know any AMABs that don’t vote? There’s one right there. Not as uncommon as you might think.
Except that the US and multiple organizations have conducted research on voter fraud and guess what it’s .003% of voting AND it’s nearly always the people clamoring for the ID.
Don’t believe the bullshit.
But how exactly? Only the ones who got caught? Self reporting?
How? How do you specifically know I specifically don’t write in Bruce Campbell for my friend every presidential election because I think it’s fucking hilarious? I’ve never been caught, for all they know he really thinks the president should have a Boomstick to save us from Deadites.
What do you think they review security cam footage? Think the nameless volunteer who has never met me nor my friend is going to notice that I’m not really Steve I’m actually three kids in a trenchcoat?
There are organizations like Heritage whose goal for decades now has been to prove there’s rampant election fraud. Guess what bud, they’ve failed every god damn time…
https://ballotpedia.org/Votes_cast_in_the_names_of_deceased_people
Voter rolls are lists. Lists can be double checked by both humans and machines, I know this is shocking to the uncreative…
Enough with the bullshit.
Also for the record, go ahead and try, you have an opportunity on Tuesday! Tell me how it goes :)
Interesting. So while signing up for the selective service that I assume you are referring to, does not have anything to do with registering to vote. Some states do automatically register you when you get your drivers license. My state did not, so I didn’t know some did. That said, when you register or even automatically get registered by the dmv. They attach your signature to the registration. And in states that don’t require id, they require you to sign the poll book. And they compare that to the registration.
So if you live in an auto registration state, you still can’t vote for your friend unless you can also forge thier signature.
Huh, I done googled it, and it appears we were lied to, but my high school told us all that was the case. I guess I just forgot that I must have separately registered to vote? Or maybe I live in one of those states, idk, it was decades ago to be fair, but we were for sure told that in order to vote we had to register for the draft. Glad to learn it isn’t true, thanks!
I guess you’re right then, he had to have registered at some point (or we live in one of the auto states). Also probably why you shouldn’t make your signature some squiggles though…
And odd that they haven’t called me on the fact that my actual signature has changed since then, since I worked on it at one point out of boredom.
I have had my ballot denied because my sig didn’t match. It was a while ago. But I had to redo my signature for the file, and I took a picture of it so I would know how I signed it. I did get my ballot counted though eventually. We are a vote by mail state. It’s been a while since I was at the dmv, we get 10 years out of one license. But when I was last there they asked me if I wanted to register to vote as well. So I think that is how a lot of people do it. But with online options for changing address and such, not sure if the website will do the same.
good job
Don’t be ignorant on purpose, there is no reason for a voter ID law.
Here you want the sources you lazy ass?
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/resources/human-rights/2026-september/debunking-voter-fraud-myth-again/
How widespread is election fraud in the United States? Not very | Brookings https://share.google/hSb96tqZELBjj4AS6
The Effect of Voter and Election Fraud Misperceptions on U.S. Election Legitimacy | MIT Election Lab https://share.google/MuOIar2tC7CznE5zU