Can we PLEASE PLEASE stop treating judaism like it’s a special religion? I can mock christians all day, every day, why the different treatment for jews?
rule of thumb. it’s ok to punch upwards and laterally in comedy,
given that Christianity is basically the default state religion in most developed countries, making fun of it is sort of punching upwards.
but unless you’re part of the minority, it’s likely you’ll say some really stupid stuff if you make fun of said minority and it’ll likely sound hateful and ignorant.
and to make it clear. those politicians are zionists, they are doing it to appease their AIPAC donor. they are not Jewish and do not support jews or their communities. look how the only loud antizionist politician in the US has the support of his Jewish constituents.
yes, the reason to be sensitive about Judaism is the robust history and present of oppression Jews have experienced. It’s unfortunate that Israel uses this as a basis of dismissing legitimate criticism of their crimes as anti-Semitism.
For comparison, imagine a Black ethno-state committing genocide (e.g. like in Ethiopia) and then dismissing critics as merely racists.
Judaism is a religion, but also an ethnicity - some people are born ethnic Jews and are not able to “stop being Jewish”. Some people convert to Judaism and are not ethnic Jews. You seem confused by this, maybe?
If it is really an ethnicity, what does a jew from israel, usa and poland have in common? Language, tradition, society and history are all different. Things in common? Jewish religion.
Ethnicity is also closely tied to nationalism, to a common land that shapes the shared experience of it. And if you say israel, we can close the conversation here.
Can you give me an example of ethnic jew that doesn’t follow the religion? What does it mean to be born ethnically jew?
Albert Einstein, Woody Allen, and Sigmund Freud were all ethnic Jews who were not followers of Judaism.
Are you young? I know many people IRL who are of Jewish ethnicity but are not religious, but I remember when I was younger I did not have as much awareness.
In lieu of life experience, perhaps it would be helpful to read more about Jewish identity and learn that way:
I don’t mean it as it because Judaism is an special religion. If someone that is not catholic or Muslim goes in a performative confession or migration to the Mecca I would think is disrespectful too.
I would say judaism should be seen as at least as special islam and christianity since it’s an abrahamic religion and rarer than both. So if you’re okay to say that neither of those are special, only then is it consistent to say that judaism is not special.
Of course, no religion is special. You can believe in any fairytale book inside your house and the place of prayer. However this is always within the legal framework of the law.
Your special book says you should steal from “non-religion-affiliated-people” because god said you are his bbf? 30 years in jail.
I imagine that such people also include almost any-non-Christian religion among those that mustn’t be criticized (e.g. Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.), so I wouldn’t really say Judaism is specifically being treated like a special taboo religion.
We are talking about judaism here.
These religious people are shielded and protected by media and politicians, it is taboo to criticise the jews in the west. This is wrong.
Before I do any whataboutism, I always say “if you’ll excuse some whataboutism” since I don’t like to hide it. But this was not whataboutism. You’re talking about special treatment, and that is something which is only defined in reference to context. You can’t say one religion is special and then casually reject any evidence to the contrary which makes reference to other religions. That’s what special means.
FWIW, I agree with you that it should be okay to criticize any religion. But to me, this entire chain of comments has been about whether or not Judaism is actually treated differently from other religions.
You mean because Islam is the only religion which the West actively spreads discriminatory propaganda against on their mainstream media because the countries they colonize are primarily Islamic?
So this is a victim competition? The claim was that Muslims can’t take normal democratic satire and debate. They can’t. That’s an incompatibility with democracy.
So argumentative bro, can you enlighten us more? Or maybe you just wanted to say: “I sometimes see brown people having a different culture displaced by the colonial west power and forced to move from their country, and I don’t like it because I’m a fascist”?
Probably something about millions of them being tortured and killed in concentration camps that makes mocking the Jewish people kinda taboo.
For the most part, they’ve been pretty chill about the whole thing, frankly… But those cuts run deeeep. I’m not Jewish, and even I’m disgusted by how they were rounded up and slaughtered like cattle for no reason other than being who they are.
The biggest issue that I think you’re going to face is that most people can’t differentiate between the Jewish faith and the Jewish people (who may or may not believe in the Jewish faith).
Generally, I don’t think that making fun of the faith is any more or less taboo than poking fun at Christians or Catholics or whatever… But making fun of the Jewish people, is generally a no fly zone.
Since people lack the intelligence, awareness, and shits to give, in order to see that being Jewish and believing in the Jewish faith are separate. So if you make fun of one, you’re making fun of both.
Edit: let me back up for a second to say: I’m just trying to explain the behaviour. I am neither Jewish, nor a fan of the Jewish people, nor do I have any strong feelings against them per-se. This message is only discussing how others tend to see the Jewish people/faith/whatever. It does not, in whole or in part, express how I feel about anything at all, ever, for any reason.
Probably something about millions of them being tortured and killed in concentration camps that makes mocking the Jewish people kinda taboo.
Holocaust survivors are few and far between but the zionists keep milking that cow (neglecting the fact the nazis didn’t target only jews).
Palestine has been suffering their own continued holocaust for over 70 years, perpetrated by the zionists.
Yeah people conflate race, culture, ethnicity, religion and what not into “being jew” because they themselves do that, so that they can claim any criticism is antisemitism.
Probably something about millions of them being tortured and killed in concentration camps that makes mocking the Jewish people kinda taboo.
Fuck the taboo, let me say it more clearly
ISRAEL IS A SUPREMACIST JEWISH STATE. I didn’t conflate judaism and zionism, I didn’t say I’m a “choosen person” by god, I don’t spit on other religions, I don’t promote stealing from non-jews, I don’t condone nor justify pedophilia or hide pedophiles, I don’t bribe and blackmail people, I didn’t help carrying out other genocides and lie about it.
And when i find people who do this and call them out, I need to remember concentration camps? Fuck you, Fuck israel, Fuck zionism and Fuck the jews. (Sue me)
I don’t believe a single fucking word these disgusting liars and professional gaslighter say. Judging by how they treat Palestinians and they lie about it, from now on, I will assume EVERYTHING they say is a lie. So before we go back to WWII let’s check the crimes these scums did first.
Oh, I don’t think that’s taboo at all. That’s basically the common fare.
My entire point is that people will conflate mocking the Jewish religion, for mocking the Jewish people; which will get them up on a high horse and unhappy and/or angry with you for being antisemitic.
Probably. I’m not going to argue about what’s happening over there.
People seem to have a lot of opinions on it and the only strong feelings I have about it are that people should stop killing eachother because grown men who are supposed to be leaders of their respective nations, cannot make peace because they’re too childish to have sympathy, empathy, and any shreds of humanity to not starve, bomb, kill, maim, or otherwise destroy eachother.
The reasons why they’re doing what they’re doing, IMO, are not as important as the lives they’re ending in the process.
Stop conflating Israel’s atrocities and zionism in general with Judaism and Jewish people. It 1) plays right into Israel’s strategy and 2) is, or at the very least begets, antisemitism.
You are not reading eh?
IT IS conflating the two, you are just mad at the wrong people.
Zionist deeply conflated their supremacist ideology with judaism 100 or so years ago. This way, if someone criticises you, you can call him antisemantic and go on with your ethnic cleansing.
But it’s more than conflating, it’s hijacking it, because often many zionists in power positions don’t call themselves zionists but jews. Again this is a shield.
Do you want to be a practicing jew without all the lying, stealing, pedophilia, blackmailing and genocide? Be my guest.
Aren’t you tired to be lied to your face every day on every fucking platform? Do you think is okay to lie so you can massacre kids?
Instead of your pointless rhetorical questions, answer mine please.
82% of the Jewish population supports what the Zionists are doing in Gaza. Fuck Israel and fuck any feelings they have about being mocked. They don’t deserve to be protected by the world.
Trump’s approval rating is listed at 35%. Was I, an American, ever polled on this? No. Am I rejecting it outright because clearly based on my own experience the sample size was not 100%? Nope.
If the Jewish population, especially those living in Israel, don’t want to be lumped in with genocide, they can do something about it. Same as Americans who don’t want to be lumped in with those committing the destruction of the American country. I’m lumped in until I do something about it, and that’s fair. Want a good name? Make it.
Um, ok, but you didn’t say the Jewish population of where. Israel? The US? The world? Pretty useless to throw out a number without clarifying that. I guess what I should’ve said is ‘what, they asked a representative sample of every Jewish population or community on the planet?’
Also ‘an approval rating of x’ means ‘x% of POLLED Americans approve’, NOT ‘x% of Americans approve’. Statistics are misleading when you use imprecise language like that.
Can we PLEASE PLEASE stop treating judaism like it’s a special religion? I can mock christians all day, every day, why the different treatment for jews?
rule of thumb. it’s ok to punch upwards and laterally in comedy,
given that Christianity is basically the default state religion in most developed countries, making fun of it is sort of punching upwards.
but unless you’re part of the minority, it’s likely you’ll say some really stupid stuff if you make fun of said minority and it’ll likely sound hateful and ignorant.
and to make it clear. those politicians are zionists, they are doing it to appease their AIPAC donor. they are not Jewish and do not support jews or their communities. look how the only loud antizionist politician in the US has the support of his Jewish constituents.
yes, the reason to be sensitive about Judaism is the robust history and present of oppression Jews have experienced. It’s unfortunate that Israel uses this as a basis of dismissing legitimate criticism of their crimes as anti-Semitism.
For comparison, imagine a Black ethno-state committing genocide (e.g. like in Ethiopia) and then dismissing critics as merely racists.
No sorry, being black and being jewish is not the same. You can stop being jewish if you want, you can’t stop being black lol
Man, you should be embarrassed. How can someone be so assertive and yet so ignorant? At least tell me you’re 12?
Judaism is a religion, but also an ethnicity - some people are born ethnic Jews and are not able to “stop being Jewish”. Some people convert to Judaism and are not ethnic Jews. You seem confused by this, maybe?
If it is really an ethnicity, what does a jew from israel, usa and poland have in common? Language, tradition, society and history are all different. Things in common? Jewish religion.
Ethnicity is also closely tied to nationalism, to a common land that shapes the shared experience of it. And if you say israel, we can close the conversation here.
Can you give me an example of ethnic jew that doesn’t follow the religion? What does it mean to be born ethnically jew?
Albert Einstein, Woody Allen, and Sigmund Freud were all ethnic Jews who were not followers of Judaism.
Are you young? I know many people IRL who are of Jewish ethnicity but are not religious, but I remember when I was younger I did not have as much awareness.
In lieu of life experience, perhaps it would be helpful to read more about Jewish identity and learn that way:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
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This is so clearly anti-Semitic and bigoted, I don’t have anything more to say to you.
You shouldn’t think an entire race of people are inherently dishonest, it does not make sense and is hateful.
Goodbye.
According to all the worst people (Israeli Nationalist and Nazis) you can’t.
I don’t mean it as it because Judaism is an special religion. If someone that is not catholic or Muslim goes in a performative confession or migration to the Mecca I would think is disrespectful too.
Because the Catholic ethnostate exists with the consent of Italy lmao
I would say judaism should be seen as at least as special islam and christianity since it’s an abrahamic religion and rarer than both. So if you’re okay to say that neither of those are special, only then is it consistent to say that judaism is not special.
Of course, no religion is special. You can believe in any fairytale book inside your house and the place of prayer. However this is always within the legal framework of the law.
Your special book says you should steal from “non-religion-affiliated-people” because god said you are his bbf? 30 years in jail.
You’re the one who kicked this off with the term “special religion.”
(͡•_ ͡• ) uh?
Yes, judaism is treated like a special taboo religion that can’t be criticised. It’s not special and it should be criticised heavily.
I imagine that such people also include almost any-non-Christian religion among those that mustn’t be criticized (e.g. Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.), so I wouldn’t really say Judaism is specifically being treated like a special taboo religion.
Bro stop it with the whataboutism.
We are talking about judaism here. These religious people are shielded and protected by media and politicians, it is taboo to criticise the jews in the west. This is wrong.
Before I do any whataboutism, I always say “if you’ll excuse some whataboutism” since I don’t like to hide it. But this was not whataboutism. You’re talking about special treatment, and that is something which is only defined in reference to context. You can’t say one religion is special and then casually reject any evidence to the contrary which makes reference to other religions. That’s what special means.
FWIW, I agree with you that it should be okay to criticize any religion. But to me, this entire chain of comments has been about whether or not Judaism is actually treated differently from other religions.
The real elephant in the room is Islam
You mean because Islam is the only religion which the West actively spreads discriminatory propaganda against on their mainstream media because the countries they colonize are primarily Islamic?
Not many religions have killed thousands of innocent Europeans in terrorist attacks.
Which one killed 6 million Jews in Europe again?
Are you trying to refer to Christianity? Hitler was not Christian.
Haha https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/opinion/380751/the-nazis-were-christians-and-adolf-hitler-was-not-an-atheist/
But forget about Hitler. Who invented Pogroms?
So this is a victim competition? The claim was that Muslims can’t take normal democratic satire and debate. They can’t. That’s an incompatibility with democracy.
Whoops lost the argument time to go mask off and spout irrelevant racism.
So argumentative bro, can you enlighten us more? Or maybe you just wanted to say: “I sometimes see brown people having a different culture displaced by the colonial west power and forced to move from their country, and I don’t like it because I’m a fascist”?
Make a public drawing of Muhammad and one of Jesus, you will catch my drift
*Christianity
Would you rather publicly mock Islam profet muhammed or Jesus Christ?
Mocking Jesus is so common that it is ingrained in most western languages, for Christ sake.
Depends who I’m talking to, because I usually curse one of them for their religion being shitty and backward
¿Porque no los dos?
Probably something about millions of them being tortured and killed in concentration camps that makes mocking the Jewish people kinda taboo.
For the most part, they’ve been pretty chill about the whole thing, frankly… But those cuts run deeeep. I’m not Jewish, and even I’m disgusted by how they were rounded up and slaughtered like cattle for no reason other than being who they are.
The biggest issue that I think you’re going to face is that most people can’t differentiate between the Jewish faith and the Jewish people (who may or may not believe in the Jewish faith).
Generally, I don’t think that making fun of the faith is any more or less taboo than poking fun at Christians or Catholics or whatever… But making fun of the Jewish people, is generally a no fly zone.
Since people lack the intelligence, awareness, and shits to give, in order to see that being Jewish and believing in the Jewish faith are separate. So if you make fun of one, you’re making fun of both.
Edit: let me back up for a second to say: I’m just trying to explain the behaviour. I am neither Jewish, nor a fan of the Jewish people, nor do I have any strong feelings against them per-se. This message is only discussing how others tend to see the Jewish people/faith/whatever. It does not, in whole or in part, express how I feel about anything at all, ever, for any reason.
Holocaust survivors are few and far between but the zionists keep milking that cow (neglecting the fact the nazis didn’t target only jews).
Palestine has been suffering their own continued holocaust for over 70 years, perpetrated by the zionists.
Yeah people conflate race, culture, ethnicity, religion and what not into “being jew” because they themselves do that, so that they can claim any criticism is antisemitism.
Fuck the taboo, let me say it more clearly ISRAEL IS A SUPREMACIST JEWISH STATE. I didn’t conflate judaism and zionism, I didn’t say I’m a “choosen person” by god, I don’t spit on other religions, I don’t promote stealing from non-jews, I don’t condone nor justify pedophilia or hide pedophiles, I don’t bribe and blackmail people, I didn’t help carrying out other genocides and lie about it.
And when i find people who do this and call them out, I need to remember concentration camps? Fuck you, Fuck israel, Fuck zionism and Fuck the jews. (Sue me)
I don’t believe a single fucking word these disgusting liars and professional gaslighter say. Judging by how they treat Palestinians and they lie about it, from now on, I will assume EVERYTHING they say is a lie. So before we go back to WWII let’s check the crimes these scums did first.
Since when is mocking any religion taboo? You guys have been following the wrong comedians.
Oh, I don’t think that’s taboo at all. That’s basically the common fare.
My entire point is that people will conflate mocking the Jewish religion, for mocking the Jewish people; which will get them up on a high horse and unhappy and/or angry with you for being antisemitic.
Comedy is different than genuine criticism. The first is allowed, the second not. You are free to do as they tell you.
I think whatever ship protected them sailed with all the genocide they’re committing.
Probably. I’m not going to argue about what’s happening over there.
People seem to have a lot of opinions on it and the only strong feelings I have about it are that people should stop killing eachother because grown men who are supposed to be leaders of their respective nations, cannot make peace because they’re too childish to have sympathy, empathy, and any shreds of humanity to not starve, bomb, kill, maim, or otherwise destroy eachother.
The reasons why they’re doing what they’re doing, IMO, are not as important as the lives they’re ending in the process.
Stop conflating Israel’s atrocities and zionism in general with Judaism and Jewish people. It 1) plays right into Israel’s strategy and 2) is, or at the very least begets, antisemitism.
Judaism is a religion and not an ethnicity. A white person from NEW JERSEY putting a tiny hat doesn’t change his ethnicity.
A jew in New Jersey is an american (location) following judaism (religion).
A jew in Palestine is a semite/arab (location) following judaism (religion).
Again, I didn’t conflate them, israel is a self proclaimed jewish supremacists state.
How is saying ‘the genocide they’re committing’ when talking about Judaism not conflating Jews with Israel?
You are not reading eh? IT IS conflating the two, you are just mad at the wrong people.
Zionist deeply conflated their supremacist ideology with judaism 100 or so years ago. This way, if someone criticises you, you can call him antisemantic and go on with your ethnic cleansing.
But it’s more than conflating, it’s hijacking it, because often many zionists in power positions don’t call themselves zionists but jews. Again this is a shield.
Do you want to be a practicing jew without all the lying, stealing, pedophilia, blackmailing and genocide? Be my guest.
Aren’t you tired to be lied to your face every day on every fucking platform? Do you think is okay to lie so you can massacre kids?
Instead of your pointless rhetorical questions, answer mine please.
82% of the Jewish population supports what the Zionists are doing in Gaza. Fuck Israel and fuck any feelings they have about being mocked. They don’t deserve to be protected by the world.
82% of the Jewish population of what, earth? Like, they asked everyone?
Trump’s approval rating is listed at 35%. Was I, an American, ever polled on this? No. Am I rejecting it outright because clearly based on my own experience the sample size was not 100%? Nope.
If the Jewish population, especially those living in Israel, don’t want to be lumped in with genocide, they can do something about it. Same as Americans who don’t want to be lumped in with those committing the destruction of the American country. I’m lumped in until I do something about it, and that’s fair. Want a good name? Make it.
Um, ok, but you didn’t say the Jewish population of where. Israel? The US? The world? Pretty useless to throw out a number without clarifying that. I guess what I should’ve said is ‘what, they asked a representative sample of every Jewish population or community on the planet?’
Also ‘an approval rating of x’ means ‘x% of POLLED Americans approve’, NOT ‘x% of Americans approve’. Statistics are misleading when you use imprecise language like that.