I did get messed up by some anxiety and have these thoughts rolling through my head so I’ll leave it at cosmic horror warning.

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I’m not religious but I have thoughts about experiencing consciousness and what it is. I say that consciousness is independent of memory because we forget, clearly dependent on our physical body, etc. generally I do say that we don’t know consciousness so maybe it can be reconstructed (in the can’t rule out the possibility way)

So I can see scenarios were my conscious could pop into existence without my memories after I die (as I’m writing this I realized that’s nothing to fear).

I am trying to adopt healthier mindset of looking at everything in life as a quest, new things are a call to action, and that it’s okay if everything I do amounts to little in x number of years (worked out okay for ozymandias, right?).

Im probably just rambling because my life has got boring and monotonous along with actual fear of American politics.

  • pishadoot@sh.itjust.works
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    I believe in reincarnation just as much as I believe any other theory of an afterlife - that is to say, I don’t.

    We don’t know. Nobody knows what happens when we die. That’s ok, and I don’t feel the need to make up a story to explain away the uncertainty.

    I think it’s likely that something happens when we die, but it could just as easily be nothingness, the end of existence. I only think it’s likely because I definitely believe that there is SO much that we don’t understand about the universe that it’s more probable than not that SOMETHING happens that we can’t currently fathom, perceive, or understand.

    But, right now there’s no real evidence. So I don’t care, and I don’t worry about it.

    To our best understanding, everything that lives will die. I don’t know what happens, it might be some form of heaven, it might be reincarnation, it might be transcendence, etc. However, I take comfort in the fact that it’s a shared experience, whatever it is. It’s natural. It’s part of the process.

    The universe doesn’t owe us an explanation. Maybe we’ll figure it out, but we haven’t yet, and I’m fine with that.

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    Want there to be evidence reincarnation exists . Want there to be research teams dedicated to finding it

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      Only if there’s a way to test reincarnation. It would be neat to look at potential test. The closest thing I think of is anesthesia because that shuts your brain off

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    It’s hard to say exactly. I wouldn’t put it past the dev(s) to have potentially put something like “The Egg” in, so potentially yes, though we’d have no way of testing for it.

    Story by Andy Weir here: https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI

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    The fact that your particular molecules will reconstruct into something else is 100% certain

    Will you keep your particular consciousness in this process - unlikely

    However if you drop off the definition of You as your current limited body and mind, then reincarnation is exactly what happens.

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      Eh I not sure if those atoms are you.

      Every atom in your body isn’t the same atom you had when you were a kid, or even 7 years ago.

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    We live in an infinite universe. As such, it seems hubristic to me to believe that we have, more or less, nature figured out.

    I don’t feel compelled to believe in the soul as some strange sort of object that is continuously reincarnated towards a great purpose. But if we consider consciousness as an energy of its own kind, then it should hold true that it cannot be created or destroyed, only change form. This could mean that the consciousness that resides in the body could move between different life forms like a fluid, freely mixing and melding with others, filling a new vessel as necessary.

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    This will sound crazy if you aren’t spiritual whatsoever. It’s based on my personal experience with meditation and psychedelics, countless chats with other metaphysically versed people, video essays and I also studied philosophy. Before all that I used to be strictly atheist. Also if something I write doesn’t resonate just let it fly, everyone has to walk their own path.

    I think the whole universe is basically god experiencing himself. The division between maker and creation causes the tension that facilitates time and space. It’s like we as humans are all part of God’s mirror image. That means our soul is, the ego isn’t divine. It’s not neccessarily bad either, it’s just that it’s a tool distinctly different from the true self. This true self can be found, unearthed if you will. The first step is acknowledging that you are more than your thoughts. The rest tends to fall into place when the time is right.

    From what you wrote I feel like you are half way there already. So as you start being present in the moment you may start feeling your soul living inside your body and you may also start identifying with this energy rather than the body that houses it or the thoughts it experiences. This is something you need to experience for yourself though, it can’t sufficiently be put into words. True faith is evidence based, with the evidence being inside of you.

    But anyway as that starts to happen you will naturally get a feel for eternal life and what it may or may not be like. I’ve realized that the soul can’t be fractured like the mind can (mainly because since discovering mine I no longer suffer from depression and social anxiety) so if it is always whole there is reason enough to believe that it won’t just vanish once you stop breathing.

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    Nope. I have never seen any evidence of reincarnation, so have no reason to believe in it.

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    You say forgetting memories is proof or indicative that memory depends on the physical body. But isn’t that true for conscious as well?

    Our conscious is inherently bound to our physical being. We see, we feel, we taste, we identify with our body. Our brain allows us to think, and experience, to conceptualize our body, our being, us as an entity.

    We cut off fingernails and discard them as no longer part of ourselves. We drive a car and internalize movement as if it were us moving, while not seeing the vehicle as part of ourselves.

    Without experiencing and without a body to conceptualize, what would our consciousness be? Without a body and mind where consciousness can arise from experience and thoughts, how could consciousness arise?

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      Yeah theirs an idea that universal can recreate particles and mass from energy that exists and eventually I guess the universe can recreate the the universe similar to how we know it after some amount of time or make a big bang. I don’t understand that physics but interesting concept.

      I would be curious if the was consciousness without matter, maybe a pure energy based being could exist

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    I’m going to make a guess that majority of people looking at this question have grown up in countries with Christian cultural background. Meaning even if they aren’t religious, their more or less subconscious believes about the nature of reality may involve some vague ideas about souls, absolute good and evil and so on. Separate entities in a hierarchical world. From that perspective, reincarnation is never going to sound anything but magical.

    But if you drop your belief in you as a separate entity, literally everything is a “reincarnation” of you, if you want to use that word. But it’s not the “you” that you think you are. Reality is prior to your thought about it, as thoughts are just imperfect reflections of reality.

    You get a disconnect when you try to take a concept like reincarnation from a thought-framework such as Buddhism, without being REALLY FUCKING INTIMATELY STEEPED IN IT, and then try to fit it into whatever dualistic worldview you’re likely holding in this largely Chisto-capitalistic world that is hell bent on making sure you always feel separate, alone and not enough.

    It really is like taking a power plug from the EU and then being surprised it doesn’t fit in the socket in the USA. And then going off about what a stupid design EU has while not ever even considering if the socket is even meant to receive that kind of a plug (because in YOUR opinion, your socket must be perfect in every way and could never ever be questioned).

    Get Waking Up by Sam Harris… Or read Adyashanti, Rupert Spira, Loch Kelly, Jayasara, Kiran Trace, Christopher Wallis, Bernardo Kastrup, many more. It’s all available out there but unfortunately a lot gets dismissed because “nooo muh materialistic worldview that is required for the current capitalistic hellscape that’s slowly destroying our world can’t possibly be wrong”. So many people are pushing the collective cart towards doom, complain about the doom and the cart but never question what they so deeply believe that they won’t just stop pushing.

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    I don’t believe in reincarnation, but one thing that isn’t mentioned enough is that there aren’t enough “souls” for everyone to have a reincarnation. If you rewind the clock back, once the original (for the sake of this exercise) 100 people died, the next generation would have 200-300 people already alive due to multiple children, which means they would halve mostly new souls. Fast forward to today, I’d imagine a lot of people would have baby souls.

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      Yeah I’m no gonna subscribe to the religious concept of reincarnation. I do agree it wouldn’t make sense that there’s a fixed number of souls that were doing it for eternity, or that there’s this coherent cycle reincarnating as different animals all the way back to begining of life.

      It is cool think about “soul” being cleansed like some day we can become redeemable through some process. I don’t believe that’s happening

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      That argument only works on the specific belief that souls constantly exist on earth though. In various mythologies and religions, there are various other realms where countless numbers of souls exist without inhabiting a human body on earth.

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    If it was real and you could retain memories of past lives, I’m confident we’d have some evidence/proof.

    If it exists without memory retention and its just some sort of “soul” concept then it really doesn’t matter since you won’t remember anything for it to be worth worrying about.

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      The fact that brain injuries can erase memories shows that memory isn’t going to continue when the brain no longer functions.

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      I have this little pet theory:

      What if the memory is simply overwritten? A toddler, having not much experienced much in life may remember some stuff but as soon as new memories are formed the “old” memories are overwritten…

      I mean, it at least would explain why my 2 year old has recently run an eerily convincing musket drill and bayonett charge with a stick while i am pretty sure he never has seen something like that on TV…

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      I was thinking you’d be “reincarnated” or reconstituted via Boltzmann’s brain scenario and you’d get your memories back after some crazy amount of time, but I get that could happen at an earlier stage in life. Sounds like the “universe was created 5 minutes ago along with all our memories” BS

      It’s interesting having someone tell me to not worry about it.

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      Ever hear of Dr. Ian Stevenson?

      Edit: Not sure why I’m being downvoted, dude looked into reincarnation and had hundreds of documented cases, Carl Sagan wanted people to look more into it