• midribbon_action@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    21 hours ago

    You are acknowledging total control in both systems, but are arguing against the word totalitarian to describe them. What is your actual argument?

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      21 hours ago

      That totalitarian and authoritarian are dumb words because they equate the working class being in control with the bourgeois being in control. Its as silly as saying we need a healthy balance between tyranny and democracy.

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        20 hours ago

        Do you think that you specifically, as a worker, would have more power under totalitarian communism? Your voice and your opinions would be taken into account by the unaccountable leaders? Do you really think you would even be allowed to critique party policy?

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          20 hours ago

          unaccountable leaders

          I would simply not vote for a leader who I didn’t like.

          Your voice and your opinions would be taken into account

          The average Chinese or Cuban feels more represented than the average American, in Vietnam it seems like the more rural areas feel strongly represented, while the urban residents are more likely to feel they have no power and the whole system has become rotten.

          A few years ago, Cuba had a referendum on a new constitution. After years of local discussions, revisions, and more discussion, they came up with a document that most everyone agreed with, it passed with over 90% support.

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            The average Chinese or Cuban feels more represented than the average American

            Could you please cite a source? How much of that is toeing the party line so they don’t get asked out for tea?

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            20 hours ago

            That’s a great statistic, >90%. Shows up all over the place in communist literature. I’m sure it’s a sign of a well functioning democracy with diverse opinions represented.

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              20 hours ago

              If you think Cuba lied about the 85% turnout and 90% in favor vote, it should be trivial to disprove via statistics. Hell just ask 30 randos how they voted.

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                20 hours ago

                I didn’t say they lied. I implied it’s illegal for citizens to disagree. Putin also wins with similar percentages, and maybe there’s some fuckery, but our best evidence is that Putin is similarly extremely popular in capitalist totalitarian Russia.

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                  20 hours ago

                  You can just go to Cuba and ask them. Don’t book a flight from America or mention that you did or the US state department might cause problems, but its not like Russia.