it was better to abstain from voting or vote 3rd party than vote Harris because the Biden admin supported Israel because it legitimized the electoral system without affecting the outcome.
Like, yeah guess who else is sucking Netanyahu’s dick
why is this homophobic trope still being played like it’s a major own of fascists??
But sure hope you feel great about not voting for Harris so we could get someone objectively worse on all fronts, including the Israel / Palestine conflict.
Please tell me in what ways the Trump admin was worse than the Biden admin on Palestine. Like an actual example.
I’m fairly certain the president of the worlds largest settler colonial empire knew what its pet settler colony was planning on doing after the genocide.
Edit: bulldozers where in gaza pretty much day one
But did he propose it? Did he actually go up and say he wants Gaza cleared out with a Biden resort in its place? Did he share an AI video of gaudy gold statues and bikini clad women on the beach?
I agree that Biden’s stance on Israel/Palestine was terrible but Trump is clearly doing and saying these things out of greed and personal enrichment without any regard for human rights.
Edit: not entertaining any more replies from bad faith arguments. I agree with the fundamental truth that Biden is a centrist and had a large part in Trump becoming president again but the additional minutae re: Gaza is what foreign actors like Russia really want most of all - to splinter the left even more than it already is. We can’t let perfection get in the way of progress. We’ll just continue to sit here and bicker amongst each other while Republicans continue to steamroll everyone, including Palestinians.
The woman who advocated for “the most lethal fighting force in the world” and boasted of Liz Cheneys support? Yeah she would have just gotten everything in place for the next republican to do instead. Like Biden did with the border camps and ICE.
Obviously you don’t understand that liberal means a terrible thing in other countries. Or, so I am reliably informed here. Regularly. Like, constantly.
And just in case you forgot, that was Biden slowing down those weapon shipments that had been congressionally approved long before the Oct 7 attacks. It’s been trump that’s been unblocking, delivering, and promising more.
I wish these relevant sourced arguments could bring some around, but they won’t in large part because many of these comments are not American voters and just want to vent.
Just like we did when we were kids. Except we live here and we vote.
I was raised republican and you would be even more surprised how completely ineffective this would have been on me in the past. The people that continue to vote republican are so much dumber than you realize. Like find a source that disagrees with them, so they go find new source type dumb.
Lol, no, I’m certainly not. I do what I can within my limited means although I’m sure I could do more. Sadly, just by virtue of voting, I’ve done more than the majority of my countrymen but I certainly am no paragon of virtue.
I am a realist though. Realistically the Palestinian people would have been better off, or at the least not worse off, with a Harris administration at the helm.
Regardless, the diplomacy would have been carried out by the statesmen in the background if she was in office or Trump - Trump just comes with massive baggage.
Democrats did more to put Trump in power than every protest & third party voter combined, and you’re still making excuses for them because you’re a spineless moron
Geez, calling me a morally bankrupt coward is just a tad bit mean, don’t ya know? Also doesn’t really address the actual real world we’re in where we are voting on an office which is making decisions that go far beyond only the tiny part of the world that is Israel/Palestine.
Like I don’t know how naive and narrow minded one has to be to think a world with Trump in charge of the USA is better than the alternative.
Like, obviously, if I could waive a magic wand I’d change a whole fuckpile of stuff about our government and our system of living as a whole. Unfortunately, presumably, much like yourself, I’m not magic.
Ah yes I’m a morally bankrupt coward for … Voting? Being realistic about our world? Caring about more than one thing at a time?
If it wasn’t concern trolling and people actually cared about the Palestinians more than some moral superiority complex we would have Harris as president. Instead people were too short sighted or dumb to realize they were being manipulated into giving Trump support by them not voting or voting third party.
So … Yeah, obviously I think what happened and is happening in Gaza is fucked up. It’s a man made famine starving kids, not to mention all the other ways they’re dying.
Yeah you sure put pressure on the American government to stop that one by assuring them you’ll still vote for them if they don’t even promise to end funding to a genocide. I’m sorry but any way you slice it to me, this attitude makes you complicit.
A lot of our friends here have only a mass-media understanding of American politics. And given that mass media is utterly terrible, it’s . . . a crooked understanding.
I don’t owe civility to anyone making excuses for the fucking democrats, nothing about the “real world” requires you to accept their complicity in genocide you decided to do that shit on your own
Nah, Netanyahu makes me ashamed of my Jewish heritage, the whole state of Israel and what it has been doing really does tbh. They’re probably literally making people antisemitic since they try to conflate that with being anti Israel even though it’s squarely separate.
Would be like saying people criticizing the USA are anti Christian or something along those lines.
Anyways, no, I think you know the right answer is Trump.
Nobody is simping for Netanyahu I just would prefer a world where Harris won and Trump lost. Part of the reason Harris lost was people not voting for the Dem candidate and actively helping a person who has an even worse track record on Israeli-Palestinian relations win the office of the president.
It makes no sense. It’s like not voting to have a golf ball put up your ass so the pineapple can get shoved up there instead.
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it was better to abstain from voting or vote 3rd party than vote Harris because the Biden admin supported Israel because it legitimized the electoral system without affecting the outcome.
why is this homophobic trope still being played like it’s a major own of fascists??
Please tell me in what ways the Trump admin was worse than the Biden admin on Palestine. Like an actual example.
I’m fairly certain that Biden never proposed bulldozing the Gaza Strip and building his own resort on it.
I’m fairly certain the president of the worlds largest settler colonial empire knew what its pet settler colony was planning on doing after the genocide.
Edit: bulldozers where in gaza pretty much day one
But did he propose it? Did he actually go up and say he wants Gaza cleared out with a Biden resort in its place? Did he share an AI video of gaudy gold statues and bikini clad women on the beach?
I agree that Biden’s stance on Israel/Palestine was terrible but Trump is clearly doing and saying these things out of greed and personal enrichment without any regard for human rights.
Edit: not entertaining any more replies from bad faith arguments. I agree with the fundamental truth that Biden is a centrist and had a large part in Trump becoming president again but the additional minutae re: Gaza is what foreign actors like Russia really want most of all - to splinter the left even more than it already is. We can’t let perfection get in the way of progress. We’ll just continue to sit here and bicker amongst each other while Republicans continue to steamroll everyone, including Palestinians.
…Man, if I didn’t know better I’d assume this post was satire.
So your problem is merely the optics? That biden had better optics for his support of genocide? That makes him better how??
Like he knew fully well what the endgame was and didn’t flinch, but I guess he wasn’t as gauche as boasting about how he personally profits from it…
I highly doubt Kamala would be using $100k missiles to kill venezuelan fisherman.
The woman who advocated for “the most lethal fighting force in the world” and boasted of Liz Cheneys support? Yeah she would have just gotten everything in place for the next republican to do instead. Like Biden did with the border camps and ICE.
Oh don’t get me wrong, shed have found ways to be evil, I just don’t think she’d specifically do that.
It’s neat how it was either vote for not-trump or get trump, and so many haters loved them some trump.
Obviously you don’t understand that liberal means a terrible thing in other countries. Or, so I am reliably informed here. Regularly. Like, constantly.
It means “genocidal monster” here now.
It means a terrible thing in every country
You’re fine with trading the lives of innocent palestinians to maintain your own comfort and security, you deserve Trump and worse
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No, you were just denying and downplaying the genocide when it was your team doing it
I’m not going to do the work for you, but the math is simple:
Would that number have gone down at all if Trump had been president on Oct 7? Only when they ran out of victims, and you know it.
https://nypost.com/2024/10/30/world-news/trump-told-netanyahu-to-end-the-war-by-january-if-he-wins-report/
And just in case you forgot, that was Biden slowing down those weapon shipments that had been congressionally approved long before the Oct 7 attacks. It’s been trump that’s been unblocking, delivering, and promising more.
I wish these relevant sourced arguments could bring some around, but they won’t in large part because many of these comments are not American voters and just want to vent.
Just like we did when we were kids. Except we live here and we vote.
I was raised republican and you would be even more surprised how completely ineffective this would have been on me in the past. The people that continue to vote republican are so much dumber than you realize. Like find a source that disagrees with them, so they go find new source type dumb.
Trump is the same for Palestine, he’s worse for you and that’s the only part you give a shit about
objectively wrong
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Nice sources you have there.
Right back at you clown
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“Everyone who disagrees with me is russian propaganda” lol keep losing
Lol, no, I’m certainly not. I do what I can within my limited means although I’m sure I could do more. Sadly, just by virtue of voting, I’ve done more than the majority of my countrymen but I certainly am no paragon of virtue.
I am a realist though. Realistically the Palestinian people would have been better off, or at the least not worse off, with a Harris administration at the helm.
Regardless, the diplomacy would have been carried out by the statesmen in the background if she was in office or Trump - Trump just comes with massive baggage.
“Realistically I had no choice but to be a morally bankrupt coward” lol fuck off
Enjoy the next 3 years of Trump… you did this.
Democrats did more to put Trump in power than every protest & third party voter combined, and you’re still making excuses for them because you’re a spineless moron
Geez, calling me a morally bankrupt coward is just a tad bit mean, don’t ya know? Also doesn’t really address the actual real world we’re in where we are voting on an office which is making decisions that go far beyond only the tiny part of the world that is Israel/Palestine.
Like I don’t know how naive and narrow minded one has to be to think a world with Trump in charge of the USA is better than the alternative.
Like, obviously, if I could waive a magic wand I’d change a whole fuckpile of stuff about our government and our system of living as a whole. Unfortunately, presumably, much like yourself, I’m not magic.
I can’t believe you tried to pull the “it’s more important than tiny little Palestine” bullshit. It’s a fucking
GENOCIDE
Kids are dying every day.
Morally bankrupt coward was too kind for the kind of person you actually are.
Ah yes I’m a morally bankrupt coward for … Voting? Being realistic about our world? Caring about more than one thing at a time?
If it wasn’t concern trolling and people actually cared about the Palestinians more than some moral superiority complex we would have Harris as president. Instead people were too short sighted or dumb to realize they were being manipulated into giving Trump support by them not voting or voting third party.
So … Yeah, obviously I think what happened and is happening in Gaza is fucked up. It’s a man made famine starving kids, not to mention all the other ways they’re dying.
Yeah you sure put pressure on the American government to stop that one by assuring them you’ll still vote for them if they don’t even promise to end funding to a genocide. I’m sorry but any way you slice it to me, this attitude makes you complicit.
I don’t think you understand how American government works if you think abstaining from voting is pressuring anybody to do anything.
A lot of our friends here have only a mass-media understanding of American politics. And given that mass media is utterly terrible, it’s . . . a crooked understanding.
I don’t owe civility to anyone making excuses for the fucking democrats, nothing about the “real world” requires you to accept their complicity in genocide you decided to do that shit on your own
Lol you’re such a silly goose.
You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse
I hope your day/life gets better, you seem very upset.
Be fair. Centrists were willing to sacrifice everyone’s comfort and stability as long as they didn’t have to tell netanyahu no.
Lol you’re not wrong
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Delusional
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“Everyone who disagrees with me is russian propaganda” lol cope
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Two things can be true at the same time, ya’know.
“Propaganda is real therefore everyone who disagrees with me is propaganda” you’re a mess
When did I say that? I’m saying it’s out there, let’s not use hasty generalizations to twist my message here.
You.
Nah, Netanyahu makes me ashamed of my Jewish heritage, the whole state of Israel and what it has been doing really does tbh. They’re probably literally making people antisemitic since they try to conflate that with being anti Israel even though it’s squarely separate.
Would be like saying people criticizing the USA are anti Christian or something along those lines.
Anyways, no, I think you know the right answer is Trump.
Him too. But he’s not on this thread being a simp for netanyahu. You are.
Nobody is simping for Netanyahu I just would prefer a world where Harris won and Trump lost. Part of the reason Harris lost was people not voting for the Dem candidate and actively helping a person who has an even worse track record on Israeli-Palestinian relations win the office of the president.
It makes no sense. It’s like not voting to have a golf ball put up your ass so the pineapple can get shoved up there instead.
then you should be upset that she supported genocide, Instead you’re mad at the people who told you she would lose if she supported genocide.
Because they were right.