How brave of them to harass Kamala Harris while Nazi gestapo squads roam the streets of our major cities.
Fucking pusillanimous losers.
Misread it as “Hideo Kojima” at first and was confused.
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Good for that protestor. Look at that dumb smug bribe-taking loser smiling on stage. What a waste.
“We have four years of Trump!”
I guess it’s good to see that someone is still an optimist.
Where exactly is she shaken?
I only see her standing up for a splitsecond and then a smirk at the end.
What an incredible disappointment of generational proportion she was.
i mean you lay down with dick cheney you get up with war crimes knowwhatimean?
That lady has a great voice for a punk band
People like Biden and Harris and Obama and the Clintons are leading us down the road of complacence to the fundamental problems that are destroying us. They deserve nothing but derision and scorn. This is the test of our time. The future is with, in so much as it can be “with” politics, people like Mamdani and Platner. If you are against these policy proposals and against the culture of these campaigns, you are against progressive politics and you are against rational governance.
If you’re against these campaigns you can go fuck yourself right to hell, and you will be written into history accordingly.
Graham “Forgot to mention I was a Blackwater mercenary” Platner is definitely not it.
Zohran is also starting to become a letdown.
There is absolutely no reason to cast out Trump, Vance, Johnson, and Miller if we don’t also cast out Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and Jeffries. The old Democratic guard is committed to just leading us right back to where we are now.
She is absolutely right wing, but I don’t think she has ever had enough authority to be a war criminal.
She has just enough authority to ban Palestinian voices from the DNC.
Anyone who is not an American Liberal knows she’s right a right-winger. Moreover - no top of that. If we’re into semantics, she’s also a genocide supporter. Joe Biden is the war criminal.
The US vice-president, second in command, who presides over the US senate and cannot be dismissed by the president has not enough authority???
There’s a dude in these comments saying “every person who works for a government that supports genocide and doesn’t resign is a war criminal.”
I was told this place was much more chill than Reddit and now I’m feeling like that may not be true lol.
The VP has basically no power other than try to persuade the POTUS behind the scenes, which from what I’ve read, she did to some degree, but to no effect.
Where she blew it was when she said she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden. That was the end for her campaign. (regardless of whether anyone thinks it should have been that way or not, IMO that was the death blow)
She presided over the US senate and cannot be dismissed by the president, how did she have “basically no power”???
Agreed…Also, if she had no power and is not responsible for anything Bidens government did, how is she at all capable of doing the job of the president? her qualifications were that she was a fly on the wall and observed others, but didnt participate in any meaningful way, huh. She simultaneously blameless and had no power, but also the most experienced, most qualified to do the job and the only one the DNC could possibly put up against trump. What a fuckin joke of a party.
💯 so sick of hearing about small beans uwu bomber harris
she’s just a girl 💅
That and saying we will have the most lethal military. Plus we want trump and gops immigration policies
Yeah, she was going to become a war criminal, but the voters let her down.
The VP has basically no power other than try to persuade the POTUS behind the scenes, which from what I’ve read, she did to some degree, but to no effect.
The POTUS didn’t dictate her positions during the campaign. Stop making excuses just because she supported genocide for you.
Where she blew it was when she said she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden. That was the end for her campaign.
iirc her campaign said “the Biden people” demanded she say that.
She wasn’t required to listen to the biden people. The biden people hid his mental decline until it was too late. Their political instincts are runny dogshit just like their entire wing of the party.
So either she should have not made that promise or she should have broken it. Easy enough. It’s not like she didn’t know what was on the line.
I think that’s a hindsight sort of thing. Of course she should have. But we all know the answer.
Then it wasn’t her campaign.
That was “the Biden people”’s point, yeah.
It’s crazy to think this all could have been avoided if Biden just kept his word and let us have an actual primary where Kamala predicably would have lost early on.
Instead we got a half assed bait and switch for the worst polling candidate possible. I swear she was picked because she was the cheapest corpo money could buy.
The DNC needs to be dissolved because they keep picking loser corporate stooges that nobody likes in the belief that they can just AstroTurf and gaslight their way to popularity.
Would love to kick the DNC to the curb but at the beginning of this year everyone top to bottom was replaced. It is malleable and we need to change it to finally be progressive and actual leftist party for the people.
And she still probably have won if she’d stuck with the campaign she was running at the start, rather than ditching it to pivot right
What, Liz Cheney wasn’t good enough for you?? 🙃 Seriously, that’s when i knew we were sunk. What a fucking disaster
She also got the Clintons to campaign for her; HRC went down to Florida and Bill went to Michigan, where he defended Israel to Muslim and Arab-American voters that Harris was ostensibly trying to win over.
lol
She was the cheapest option. Literally look at the other person talking about how they were the only candidate that could use Bidens money so as to immediately have the millions already invested by big pockets and a candidate they could know they could pay for.
She outraised trump and still lost. We didn’t have a primary because the party didn’t want someone who might not support genocide.
Everyone seems to conveniently forget the fact that the only one that was legally entitled to any of the money raised for Biden’s campaign, over like 3 years of fundraising, was Kamala because she was on the ticket.
Restarting the fundraising process from scratch, after even just a 14-21 day primary process that would somehow also be built out of nowhere, would have meant whoever secured any nomination would have easily been outspent by a mile. They would have had no funds to even campaign on. It probably would have locked all the money that was already donated up too, considering that it would take quite some time to refund all of that money; figure out who was owed what exactly based on what hadnt been spent yet, etc…
Like what the fuck else did anyone expect to reasonably happen? It was stupid for Biden to ever say they could even have had a primary. The real promise he should have stuck to was when he claimed he would only be a one term president years beforehand
Lol, so that is how we decide presidential nominees now? Who has the money backing…
Agree - but bad take
I don’t really recall all the rules, but you’re right that she was the only one entitled to it legally. However, I’m pretty sure other pacs can run ads for other candidates. For example, you’ll sometimes see democrat or republican ads for spoiler candidates. There’s surely still a way it could be used to benefit whoever the democratic candidate was. IANAL though.
If Biden died rather than step aside who would have been the candidate? It would be Harris as that is who was selected by the states that ran democratic primaries at that point.
Harris is deeply unpopular with anyone who isn’t a rabid neolib and was solely picked by the neolib establishment (read fucking dinosaurs addicted insider trading) for her willingness to be a corporate stooge.
If she was half as wonderful as the online astroturfing suggested she wouldn’t have had an abysmal turnout and wouldn’t have lost the election along with every primary along the way.
I knew she was cooked the moment she announced her VP and he got 1,000x the enthusiasm and coverage that she did.
We needed an actual democratic socialist to excite people, not another fucking Israeli funded Republican-lite campaigning on a desperate gamble to gaslight people into thinking she isn’t just another dogshit neolib.
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Kamala had to be carried as VP, she had absolutely no business being the nomination.
Shit, the only reason she was made VP was because of the identity politics of having yet another ancient white guy in office.
Sorry I double responded, I meant to reply to another commenter and left it here by accident.
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Although she definitely more left leaning than Biden.
She ran to biden’s right. biden never promised to put a republican on his cabinet. He never campaigned with cheneys.
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None of this answered the question I asked though.
Are you educated in the American political system at all? Im asking this because I don’t know you and a lot of the “they never held a primary” folks are actually not well educated on elections and how they work.
She would have lost, even by the DNC’s own crappy poll metrics which showed several candidates that were much more popular, like Newsom who could have easily fulfilled his role as a shill and a well received candidate instead of just an obvious shill.
DNC running around with “too late for a primary” and “can’t adjust voter law” is moot when you consider that almost all of them have a catch all cause for holding primary elections in circumstance, and the fact that they aren’t even tied to the Federal election or even State control if the DNC wishes.
That all being said, Harris would have been the de facto candidate as the incumbent if Biden died, but if the DNC wanted to, they could easily chose not to run her as the candidate and hold a primary.
Her potential loss might be the case but there is a good reason for why they did not hold a primary after already running one. There’s no legal reason I am aware of that invalidates the races already ran.
Your question isn’t relevant to what actually happened because it’s an entirely different hypothetical situation.
No, it’s directly relevant as it is the next closest situation as to what happened. Biden stepped down because ge could not fulfill the role due to his health.
It’s literally not. That’s not what happened and has nothing to do with me talking about how Biden should have let a primary happen. You just brought this up as if it was relevant when it’s really not
Biden stepped aside due to health concerns after a disastrous debate. These concerns have since been justified as Biden has cancer.
There was a primary and Biden/Harris won it. They ran unopposed for most of it.
WE HAVE ACTUAL RIGHT WING WAR CRIMINALS DOING WAR CRIMES RIGHT NOW, BUT YES, PLEASE YELL AT THE ONE PERSON WHO HAS ABSOLUTELY FUCKALL TO DO WITH IT AFTER ALL OF YOU TOLD HER THE CURRENT WAR CRIMINALS WILL DO A BETTER JOB.
IF YOU THINK TYPING IN ALL CAPS WILL MAKE PEOPLE LISTEN TO YOU, YOU ARE INCORRECT.
AND YOU SAY HARRIS WAS THE “ONE PERSON” HUH. I DONT THINK YOU COUNT VERY WELL.Do you remember that she was never in charge of anything except babysitting Congress?
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it was better to abstain from voting or vote 3rd party than vote Harris because the Biden admin supported Israel because it legitimized the electoral system without affecting the outcome.
Like, yeah guess who else is sucking Netanyahu’s dick
why is this homophobic trope still being played like it’s a major own of fascists??
But sure hope you feel great about not voting for Harris so we could get someone objectively worse on all fronts, including the Israel / Palestine conflict.
Please tell me in what ways the Trump admin was worse than the Biden admin on Palestine. Like an actual example.
I’m fairly certain the president of the worlds largest settler colonial empire knew what its pet settler colony was planning on doing after the genocide.
Edit: bulldozers where in gaza pretty much day one
But did he propose it? Did he actually go up and say he wants Gaza cleared out with a Biden resort in its place? Did he share an AI video of gaudy gold statues and bikini clad women on the beach?
I agree that Biden’s stance on Israel/Palestine was terrible but Trump is clearly doing and saying these things out of greed and personal enrichment without any regard for human rights.
Edit: not entertaining any more replies from bad faith arguments. I agree with the fundamental truth that Biden is a centrist and had a large part in Trump becoming president again but the additional minutae re: Gaza is what foreign actors like Russia really want most of all - to splinter the left even more than it already is. We can’t let perfection get in the way of progress. We’ll just continue to sit here and bicker amongst each other while Republicans continue to steamroll everyone, including Palestinians.
…Man, if I didn’t know better I’d assume this post was satire.
So your problem is merely the optics? That biden had better optics for his support of genocide? That makes him better how??
Like he knew fully well what the endgame was and didn’t flinch, but I guess he wasn’t as gauche as boasting about how he personally profits from it…
I highly doubt Kamala would be using $100k missiles to kill venezuelan fisherman.
The woman who advocated for “the most lethal fighting force in the world” and boasted of Liz Cheneys support? Yeah she would have just gotten everything in place for the next republican to do instead. Like Biden did with the border camps and ICE.
Oh don’t get me wrong, shed have found ways to be evil, I just don’t think she’d specifically do that.
It’s neat how it was either vote for not-trump or get trump, and so many haters loved them some trump.
Obviously you don’t understand that liberal means a terrible thing in other countries. Or, so I am reliably informed here. Regularly. Like, constantly.
Obviously you don’t understand that liberal means a terrible thing in other countries
It means “genocidal monster” here now.
It means a terrible thing in every country
You’re fine with trading the lives of innocent palestinians to maintain your own comfort and security, you deserve Trump and worse
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Trump was far worse for Palestine though. So much worse.
No, you were just denying and downplaying the genocide when it was your team doing it
I’m not going to do the work for you, but the math is simple:
Would that number have gone down at all if Trump had been president on Oct 7? Only when they ran out of victims, and you know it.
And just in case you forgot, that was Biden slowing down those weapon shipments that had been congressionally approved long before the Oct 7 attacks. It’s been trump that’s been unblocking, delivering, and promising more.
I wish these relevant sourced arguments could bring some around, but they won’t in large part because many of these comments are not American voters and just want to vent.
Just like we did when we were kids. Except we live here and we vote.
I was raised republican and you would be even more surprised how completely ineffective this would have been on me in the past. The people that continue to vote republican are so much dumber than you realize. Like find a source that disagrees with them, so they go find new source type dumb.
Trump is the same for Palestine, he’s worse for you and that’s the only part you give a shit about
objectively wrong
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Nice sources you have there.
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“Everyone who disagrees with me is russian propaganda” lol keep losing
Lol, no, I’m certainly not. I do what I can within my limited means although I’m sure I could do more. Sadly, just by virtue of voting, I’ve done more than the majority of my countrymen but I certainly am no paragon of virtue.
I am a realist though. Realistically the Palestinian people would have been better off, or at the least not worse off, with a Harris administration at the helm.
Regardless, the diplomacy would have been carried out by the statesmen in the background if she was in office or Trump - Trump just comes with massive baggage.
“Realistically I had no choice but to be a morally bankrupt coward” lol fuck off
Enjoy the next 3 years of Trump… you did this.
Democrats did more to put Trump in power than every protest & third party voter combined, and you’re still making excuses for them because you’re a spineless moron
Geez, calling me a morally bankrupt coward is just a tad bit mean, don’t ya know? Also doesn’t really address the actual real world we’re in where we are voting on an office which is making decisions that go far beyond only the tiny part of the world that is Israel/Palestine.
Like I don’t know how naive and narrow minded one has to be to think a world with Trump in charge of the USA is better than the alternative.
Like, obviously, if I could waive a magic wand I’d change a whole fuckpile of stuff about our government and our system of living as a whole. Unfortunately, presumably, much like yourself, I’m not magic.
I can’t believe you tried to pull the “it’s more important than tiny little Palestine” bullshit. It’s a fucking
GENOCIDE
Kids are dying every day.
Morally bankrupt coward was too kind for the kind of person you actually are.
Ah yes I’m a morally bankrupt coward for … Voting? Being realistic about our world? Caring about more than one thing at a time?
If it wasn’t concern trolling and people actually cared about the Palestinians more than some moral superiority complex we would have Harris as president. Instead people were too short sighted or dumb to realize they were being manipulated into giving Trump support by them not voting or voting third party.
So … Yeah, obviously I think what happened and is happening in Gaza is fucked up. It’s a man made famine starving kids, not to mention all the other ways they’re dying.
A lot of our friends here have only a mass-media understanding of American politics. And given that mass media is utterly terrible, it’s . . . a crooked understanding.
I don’t owe civility to anyone making excuses for the fucking democrats, nothing about the “real world” requires you to accept their complicity in genocide you decided to do that shit on your own
Lol you’re such a silly goose.
You’re fine with trading the lives of innocent palestinians to maintain your own comfort and security
Be fair. Centrists were willing to sacrifice everyone’s comfort and stability as long as they didn’t have to tell netanyahu no.
Lol you’re not wrong
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“Everyone who disagrees with me is russian propaganda” lol cope
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Like, yeah guess who else is sucking Netanyahu’s dick
You.
Nah, Netanyahu makes me ashamed of my Jewish heritage, the whole state of Israel and what it has been doing really does tbh. They’re probably literally making people antisemitic since they try to conflate that with being anti Israel even though it’s squarely separate.
Would be like saying people criticizing the USA are anti Christian or something along those lines.
Anyways, no, I think you know the right answer is Trump.
Anyways, no, I think you know the right answer is Trump.
Him too. But he’s not on this thread being a simp for netanyahu. You are.
Nobody is simping for Netanyahu I just would prefer a world where Harris won and Trump lost. Part of the reason Harris lost was people not voting for the Dem candidate and actively helping a person who has an even worse track record on Israeli-Palestinian relations win the office of the president.
It makes no sense. It’s like not voting to have a golf ball put up your ass so the pineapple can get shoved up there instead.
Nobody is simping for Netanyahu I just would prefer a world where Harris won and Trump lost.
then you should be upset that she supported genocide, Instead you’re mad at the people who told you she would lose if she supported genocide.
Because they were right.
Yup. These are the chucklefucks who handed Trump the presidency. Now they want to scream at everyone else, but themselves. Embarrassing.
I always thought AIPAC bribes were kinda cheap, but then when you compare it to other lobbying groups and even bribes for spies, that’s just an excellent deal on Israel’s part.
They can literally buy almost any politician, and they’ll defend Israel to the death even after the stakes have dropped to zero. She’s not running for 2028, has practically nothing to lose except money, but still defends probably one of the worst Democratic campaigns for decades.
The worst part about aipac is that were fucking funding it.
