Capitalists are doing a way of democracy and implementing outright fascism because nothing short of that will be able to maintain the extreme levels of wealth inequality that we have now and continue to accelerate
See this here u/Jhex, this is a comparison that makes sense because it is a criticism of the “surveillance state” by comparing numbers of CCTV cameras between a parliamentary democracy with free and fair elections and an authoritarian state which does not and highlights that whilst one has much more political freedoms they both have a large surveillance state apparatus and you’d expect one of them to have a smaller one.
Please explain how the UK is now more authoritarian than Russia; a country that rigs elections, disappears/assassinates political opposition, and invades neighbouring sovereign nations to ethnically cleanse them?
No, I think we can acknowledge the problems surrounding digital ID, the surveillance state, prosecuting whistleblower journalists who leak classified information, and many other problematic policies and institutions WITHOUT resorting to a rediculous comparison and insane hyperbole.
I have yet to see UK election officials being caught on CCTV stuffing ballet boxes.
I have yet to see the Police arresting people for being gay in public.
I have yet to see the BBC be handed notes live on air and completely change the narrative around an ongoing war.
So yeah, the original comment saying “the UK is more authoritarian than Russia” is insane hyperbole.
Ironically, your comment about the UK being halfway to as authoritarian as somewhere like Russia is more interesting as we can get into the details as how they are currently similar and how much further the UK would have to slide to be there, and presumably how to stop it.
And so what’s your threshold for calling a spade a spade? Is a trowel a spade? Is a spoon a spade? Is a flat bit of wood a spade?
Do you understand the concept of neuance or shades of grey or do you doggedly stick to black and white?
Must be blissfull to see the world with strict category boundaries and be willingly ignorant of anything on a spectrum that doesn’t fit into your nice and neat categories.
you can call it hyperbole, as it is, maybe even criticize it, and then move on a discuss the merits it stands on
Instead, you call it hyperbole and proceed to explain why it’s hyperbole and refuse to discuss any merit. That is just being pedantic.
OP: “so a priest and a rabbi walk into a bar”
You: “no, I refuse to hear the joke because it’s extremely unlikely religious people of different denominations drink together at bars”
Do you understand the concept of neuance or shades of grey or do you doggedly stick to black and white?
I do, which is why, I understand calling the UK worse than Russia is hyperbole but still get the gist of the comment
Must be blissfull to see the world with strict category boundaries…
Are you talking about yourself? refusing to even acknowledge the gist of the OP comment because it is hyperbole and not a check list like the one you provided?
Palestine Action is a terror group. They committed violent terror acts against the UK and got designated as such in response. It doesn’t matter if you’re a senile 83 year old woman, it’s still illegal to support a terror group.
Wtf is that “prospect magazine” link? Looks like some weird anti-jew conspiracy website. I really hope you don’t get your news from places like that.
Sesame Street is a terror group. They commited violent terror acts against the UK and got designated as such in response. It doesn’t matter if you’re a senile 83 year old woman, it’s still illegal to support a terror group.
Wtf is that “BBC” link? Looks like some weird anti-muppet conspiracy website. I really hope you don’t get your news from places like that.
This you? Choking on a bag of boots and dicks?
You’re a fucking joke and your progeny will be ashamed to be descended from such a milquetoast rat.
keep your head in the sand as long as you feel safe… just be aware that when fascism has taken over and satisfies your definition, it will be too late… just look at USA
Yes, and then ideally wait some more while i masturbate about the problem. And ideally bit more until i die of old age sucking this sweet delicious boot.
Pretty sure that was being done for millennia before the UK was around. The UK itself suffered multiple invasions and genocides before the empire was a thing.
Russia? You think Russia is the reason why the UK, Australia, and other countries’ left-wing governments are all forcing digital identification verification laws?
The right often uses dirty tricks to force a “moral high ground” moment or similar from leftists. Other times said “left-wing” movements are actually liberals trying to win over right-wing voters due to some mythical past event. Yet other times leftists are not safe from the fallacies of conservatism.
It has nothing to do with “conservatism” or “right-wing”. It’s the left wing parties that are leaning more and more towards socialism/communism preparing for what communism always turns into - authoritarian, fascist, dictatorships with a ruling class and a poor class with nothing in between.
Basically every left-wing government in the world at the moment is starting to implement “hate speech laws” that define hate speech as “speech that we, the government, don’t like”, trying to get rid of encryption so they can catch and prosecute people who say bad things about them (see hate speech), and implement digital IDs so they can track everything everyone says/visits/buys and can essentially destroy your life if you don’t obey them, by revoking your access to your bank account, phone, internet, health care, etc via your digital ID.
Ironically enough, the USA is one of the only countries in the world going the other way - trying to reduce government size and dependence, defending free speech, and just getting the government out of the way in general.
I think it’s time there is something like a mainstream TOR and a commercial internet. I hate the censorship but watching the kids get mind fucked is hard to watch.
The UK isn’t doing so well, when did it become so ultra authoritarian as to overtake Russia? Even number of arrests for social media comments online?
Capitalists are doing a way of democracy and implementing outright fascism because nothing short of that will be able to maintain the extreme levels of wealth inequality that we have now and continue to accelerate
There are more cctv cameras per sq mile in the UK than China
It’s absolutely a surveillance state
Doesn’t china have massive deserts that no one lives in? Doesn’t seem like a great comparison
So you can do things and go places more often in china without being tracked
We are allowed to notice dystopian tendencies in western governments as well
China has twice as many cameras per person than the UK
See this here u/Jhex, this is a comparison that makes sense because it is a criticism of the “surveillance state” by comparing numbers of CCTV cameras between a parliamentary democracy with free and fair elections and an authoritarian state which does not and highlights that whilst one has much more political freedoms they both have a large surveillance state apparatus and you’d expect one of them to have a smaller one.
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Please explain how the UK is now more authoritarian than Russia; a country that rigs elections, disappears/assassinates political opposition, and invades neighbouring sovereign nations to ethnically cleanse them?
so you want to wait until it beats Russia in all authoritarian metrics before acknowledging the problem?
No, I think we can acknowledge the problems surrounding digital ID, the surveillance state, prosecuting whistleblower journalists who leak classified information, and many other problematic policies and institutions WITHOUT resorting to a rediculous comparison and insane hyperbole.
so being half way into authoritarianism is “insane hyperbole”?
I have yet to see UK election officials being caught on CCTV stuffing ballet boxes.
I have yet to see the Police arresting people for being gay in public.
I have yet to see the BBC be handed notes live on air and completely change the narrative around an ongoing war.
So yeah, the original comment saying “the UK is more authoritarian than Russia” is insane hyperbole.
Ironically, your comment about the UK being halfway to as authoritarian as somewhere like Russia is more interesting as we can get into the details as how they are currently similar and how much further the UK would have to slide to be there, and presumably how to stop it.
again, so you want to see all the boxes ticked before you call a spade a spade?.. not a great strategy but you do you
No, but there is this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vrjkev802o
No, but there is this:
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/ideas/media/64534/how-the-government-captured-the-bbc
And so what’s your threshold for calling a spade a spade? Is a trowel a spade? Is a spoon a spade? Is a flat bit of wood a spade?
Do you understand the concept of neuance or shades of grey or do you doggedly stick to black and white?
Must be blissfull to see the world with strict category boundaries and be willingly ignorant of anything on a spectrum that doesn’t fit into your nice and neat categories.
Not my thing, but you do you boo.
Dude my point is as follows:
Instead, you call it hyperbole and proceed to explain why it’s hyperbole and refuse to discuss any merit. That is just being pedantic.
OP: “so a priest and a rabbi walk into a bar”
You: “no, I refuse to hear the joke because it’s extremely unlikely religious people of different denominations drink together at bars”
I do, which is why, I understand calling the UK worse than Russia is hyperbole but still get the gist of the comment
Are you talking about yourself? refusing to even acknowledge the gist of the OP comment because it is hyperbole and not a check list like the one you provided?
Palestine Action is a terror group. They committed violent terror acts against the UK and got designated as such in response. It doesn’t matter if you’re a senile 83 year old woman, it’s still illegal to support a terror group.
Wtf is that “prospect magazine” link? Looks like some weird anti-jew conspiracy website. I really hope you don’t get your news from places like that.
Sesame Street is a terror group. They commited violent terror acts against the UK and got designated as such in response. It doesn’t matter if you’re a senile 83 year old woman, it’s still illegal to support a terror group.
Wtf is that “BBC” link? Looks like some weird anti-muppet conspiracy website. I really hope you don’t get your news from places like that.
This you? Choking on a bag of boots and dicks?
You’re a fucking joke and your progeny will be ashamed to be descended from such a milquetoast rat.
sure brother… I guess all these people asking for a stop the genocide were also tERroRisTSs
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uk-police-conduct-end-genocide-protest-and-subsequent-arrests-are-seriously
keep your head in the sand as long as you feel safe… just be aware that when fascism has taken over and satisfies your definition, it will be too late… just look at USA
Yes, and then ideally wait some more while i masturbate about the problem. And ideally bit more until i die of old age sucking this sweet delicious boot.
I mean, the UK invented invading and ethnic cleansing.
Pretty sure that was being done for millennia before the UK was around. The UK itself suffered multiple invasions and genocides before the empire was a thing.
mmm my favorite game of pass the genocide buck
maybe because its being pushed by russia
Russia? You think Russia is the reason why the UK, Australia, and other countries’ left-wing governments are all forcing digital identification verification laws?
The right often uses dirty tricks to force a “moral high ground” moment or similar from leftists. Other times said “left-wing” movements are actually liberals trying to win over right-wing voters due to some mythical past event. Yet other times leftists are not safe from the fallacies of conservatism.
It has nothing to do with “conservatism” or “right-wing”. It’s the left wing parties that are leaning more and more towards socialism/communism preparing for what communism always turns into - authoritarian, fascist, dictatorships with a ruling class and a poor class with nothing in between.
Basically every left-wing government in the world at the moment is starting to implement “hate speech laws” that define hate speech as “speech that we, the government, don’t like”, trying to get rid of encryption so they can catch and prosecute people who say bad things about them (see hate speech), and implement digital IDs so they can track everything everyone says/visits/buys and can essentially destroy your life if you don’t obey them, by revoking your access to your bank account, phone, internet, health care, etc via your digital ID.
Ironically enough, the USA is one of the only countries in the world going the other way - trying to reduce government size and dependence, defending free speech, and just getting the government out of the way in general.
I think it’s time there is something like a mainstream TOR and a commercial internet. I hate the censorship but watching the kids get mind fucked is hard to watch.