Not exactly. Immigrants without valuable skills will go illegally; those with valuable skills will just go somewhere else or not bother and that’s not good for the labor-hungry European economy.
And they will still end up cleaning your toilet and flipping my burger and deliver my food. I don’t get this obsession with "skilled labor“.
Humans like any other animal have been moving around ever since and only recently we as a species have developed this idea of imaginary borders and sense of entitlement to the place we randomly got thrown into without any doing of our own.
Even ignoring the humanistic aspect of this morally rotten debate, seriously, who’s gonna do all the shitty work that nobody wants to do? I don’t want to be a cleaner or work at McDonald’s in bumfuck nowhere next to a highway or work for a moving company or be a plumber.
It’s not even about money, I will just never want to do it and there’s not enough people in any of these jobs and many more even though we’re in an economic downturn period.
And they will still end up cleaning your toilet and flipping my burger and deliver my food
I’m not talking about those, but the ones coding your web portals and prescribing your medicine. Tight immigration policy can effectively deter these people, which would be a detriment to European economies because of declining birthrates. See: Japan and South Korea. In 2025 Germany needs Syrian doctors more than Syrian doctors need Germany, that’s my point here.
It’s not even about money, I will just never want to do it and there’s not enough people in any of these jobs and many more even though we’re in an economic downturn period.
I totally agree on the moral front, but it is about the money. The reason there aren’t enough people in these jobs is that they don’t pay a living wage, not that they’re inherently icky.
Humans like any other animal have been moving around ever since and only recently we as a species have developed this idea of imaginary borders and sense of entitlement to the place we randomly got thrown into without any doing of our own.
You’ll obviously find the concept of herds and territories also in animals, to be fair.
Also, given that we humans no longer only cater for ourselves and our direct surroundings, but luckily through social security systems also for people we don’t know at all and never will but who are part of our “peer group called ‘nation’”, there has to be a line drawn to specify this group. Especially, since there is a very strict line drawn where our jurisdiction applies. I understand your humanistic and moral thinking, but still see these real obstacles in the way.
I feel you’re responding to a child who has no notion of human behavior or evolution. Read their comment and decided they were too hopelessly ignorant and naive to respond to. You wrote a great response though!
Wow, so even the conservatives now realized that if you leave no legal avenue for migrants, they will simply come here illegally?
But let’s not get too crazy. If you flee your country with no way of obtaining a work permit in your country, you are still screwed.
Not exactly. Immigrants without valuable skills will go illegally; those with valuable skills will just go somewhere else or not bother and that’s not good for the labor-hungry European economy.
And they will still end up cleaning your toilet and flipping my burger and deliver my food. I don’t get this obsession with "skilled labor“.
Humans like any other animal have been moving around ever since and only recently we as a species have developed this idea of imaginary borders and sense of entitlement to the place we randomly got thrown into without any doing of our own.
Even ignoring the humanistic aspect of this morally rotten debate, seriously, who’s gonna do all the shitty work that nobody wants to do? I don’t want to be a cleaner or work at McDonald’s in bumfuck nowhere next to a highway or work for a moving company or be a plumber.
It’s not even about money, I will just never want to do it and there’s not enough people in any of these jobs and many more even though we’re in an economic downturn period.
I’m not talking about those, but the ones coding your web portals and prescribing your medicine. Tight immigration policy can effectively deter these people, which would be a detriment to European economies because of declining birthrates. See: Japan and South Korea. In 2025 Germany needs Syrian doctors more than Syrian doctors need Germany, that’s my point here.
I totally agree on the moral front, but it is about the money. The reason there aren’t enough people in these jobs is that they don’t pay a living wage, not that they’re inherently icky.
You’ll obviously find the concept of herds and territories also in animals, to be fair.
Also, given that we humans no longer only cater for ourselves and our direct surroundings, but luckily through social security systems also for people we don’t know at all and never will but who are part of our “peer group called ‘nation’”, there has to be a line drawn to specify this group. Especially, since there is a very strict line drawn where our jurisdiction applies. I understand your humanistic and moral thinking, but still see these real obstacles in the way.
I feel you’re responding to a child who has no notion of human behavior or evolution. Read their comment and decided they were too hopelessly ignorant and naive to respond to. You wrote a great response though!