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bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 1 day ago

Average convo with liberals when Ukraine comes up

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Average convo with liberals when Ukraine comes up

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  • zbyte64@awful.systems
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    Yes it’s a proxy war. Doesn’t mean you should go around “liberating” your neighbors by folding them into your own territory.

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    As you can see from the comments, libs are way more delusional than in your meme, they aren’t even admitting the three first lines.

    • eldavi@lemmy.ml
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      it’s heart warming to see that the reality to this narrative still has defenders and it makes me wonder what people will believe when reality wins out.

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      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        Ukraine is supported by the western empire for the same reason Israel is, it’s a glorified US millitary base in the region surrounded by geopolitical adversaries. Russia will not stop their advance while they are clearly winning, and the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics already voted to join the Russian Federation. The idea that there will be guerilla resistance is just unfounded, Kiev has been at war with the Donbass region for a decade.

        Europe is increasingly being demoted from imperialist vassals of the US Empire to periphery countries. Europe has very little hard power compared to the major players in the world stage and is utterly dependent on the US Empire’s hard power. The soft power Europe has is slipping as well. No amount of your homophobic pejoratives will change the fact that Europe doesn’t bring much to the table despite being the loudest ones there, and that’s why they are in fewer and fewer international talks where major powers are involved.

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          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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            The people of Donetsk and Luhansk, who voted to join the Russian Federation, seem to be happy with the way the war is going. Kiev was ethnically cleansing them since 2014, after all, so that checks out. As for Ukraine being a glorified millitary outpost, again, it’s similar to Israel. Ukraine gets arms from NATO, is cozy with NATO, and is in general a highly millitarized country. Poland is also governed by the far-right, this isn’t the grand own you think it is. Europe since the end of World War II has been subservient to the US Empire, that isn’t new. What’s new is Europe’s demotion from vassal to periphery, which is an ongoing process accelerated in recent years.

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              • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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                Here are some compiled by @cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml

                • https://www.sott.net/article/467441-Burned-alive-How-the-2014-Odessa-massacre-became-a-turning-point-for-Ukraine

                • https://21stcenturywire.com/2014/11/17/natos-nazis-ethnic-cleansing-their-opposition-in-east-ukraine/

                • https://sarahwestall.com/yes-its-true-evidence-of-genocide-crimes-against-humanity-towards-russians-in-ukraine/

                • https://commondreamsnews.com/the-donbass-russians-subject-to-unparalleled-ethnic-cleansing/

                • https://csegr.ru/discrimination-against-russians-in-ukraine-eng/

                • https://www.voltairenet.org/article184430.html

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    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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      against the russian horde. We Europeans

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        • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml
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          Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo

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              That’s probably because they’re right and you’re an incurable moron whose opinions on everything can and should be disregarded entirely

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                • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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                  “I know you are, but what am I!”

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                  You are like a little baby

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              Literally “I know you are, but what am I!”

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          you’d be even amusing but, alas,

          Why do you losers always speak like you learned to talk solely from anime and Joss Whedon movies?

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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      Racist, homophobic, chauvinistic, and juvenile; it’s a shitlib bingo

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          Damn, you really thought that was good enough to post?

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          Cope

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              They’re winning, cry about it

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                • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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                  Ukraine will retake Crimea any day now!

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                  “War long therefore russia not winning” lol thank you

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      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        You repeated literal Nazi rhetoric about “Russian hordes” and spouted Eurochauvanism, then went on to accuse people of being “brainwashed,” which itself is a fantasy idea used to terminate discussion.

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            You can call them invaders if you really want to use that analogy. You don’t need to rely on racism and dehumanization, but Euronationalists always reach for those as y’all have done for centuries.

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                Ah yes the dehumanizing Russian rhetoric towards the Ukrainians of… *checks notes* calling them a brotherly people. Smh…how awful of them.

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                It’s incredibly easy to not be racist, you should give it a try sometime.

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            “How can you expect me to criticize foreigners if I can’t be racist!”

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        “I broke the rules, and they removed my comment! This is an outrage!”

        Please point me to a “non-tyranical” com then

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    If only there where some way for Russia to prevent this…

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    • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml
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      The US has never promoted freedom or justice for anyone that wasn’t rich, and participation in our empire’s agenda has never been voluntary

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      “voluntary coalition of countries and individuals who promote freedom and justice and wish to build and maintain a world of international laws and norms”

      This propaganda was obviously always bullshit, but it was killed for good in the ruins of Gaza: anyone still spouting it is either knowingly lying or 12

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      Replace “America” with “voluntary coalition of countries and individuals who promote freedom and justice

      I would really wish to replace the US Empire and their wardog vassals with what you wrote.

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        Trump and JD Vance are doing their best to replace the US as the “leader of the free world” with a coalition of increasingly well armed and assertive independent blocs and states. Totally wild to see it cut its own throat like that.

        The rest aren’t really wardogs, despite France and the UK seizing the opportunity in Libya a few years back. I don’t think the UK was quite over the Lockerbie bombing, and who the fuck knows with France.

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      Involuntary coalition of countries who promote oppression and injustice and wish to maintain a world of white supremacy and bourgeois rule

      Aka the “burgerland empire”

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