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    I was pretty homo-phobic and passively racist up till I got “class woke” but always I hated all those dweebs.

    I can’t point to one thing that broke me out of that thinking but it overlapped my “come to jesus Marx” moment. A large part of it was reading theory and coming to realize that “equality for everyone” means “everyone” and “equality for all the people like me” is called nazism… and as a poor masking ND I’m on the block after the queer people.

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    I fell into it for a short time around the pandemic and started becoming reactionary, starting off with the basic SJW owned compilation and Daily Wire stuff, but later on got into some 4chan /pol/ and incel weirdo shit

    Eventually I snapped out of it when I realized that mixed-race people like me were seen as subhuman by most of those people

    Their whole “fake news” and anti mainstream media thing stuck with me tho and made me question if mainstream media was lying about DPRK, China, Cold War history, etc, which lead me to becoming ML/Socialist

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    I listened to Joe Rogan tapering off by 2016. In the middle days of the podcast, there were occasionally interesting guests, and the discussions were good, but after a while, it just turned into Rogan’s moronic ramblings and the guests barely holding on. He also stopped pushing back against the dumb guests, probably as an effort to keep those dumb guests coming back. At a certain point, I remember thinking “Wow, all he says is ‘huh huh huh what if the monkeys just get stoned…do you think that guy would have done DMT?’”, and that’s when I stopped listening altogether.

    I never fell for the anti-SJW stuff, because it always seemed pretty obvious that it was anti-anti-asshole advocacy. “The LGBTQ+ Agenda” was only ever a struggle to survive.

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    One book of JP is a big hit in germany. Not sure what its called. Its about life advice i think. And that pipeline i got sucked into BIG TIME. Not because it helped but because i was still in the sphere of young entrepreneurs which is one of the most naive, careless and frankly stupid situations one can find themselves in imo.

    I did figure out that he is a huge {insert string of slurs}. In any case, I got out and walked a different path, ultimately leading me here.

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      Is it ‘12 rules for life’, the book that just regurgitates the most basic ass advice also given by our parents and teachers while mixing some chud level misinterpretation of stoicism?

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    I did get sucked into the thunderf00t sphere for a while which I think is a gateway to anti-SJW shit but I got out eventually.

    I kinda watched h3h3 too but never really was a steady follower or anything. Same goes for Pewdiepie. They were mostly just the people well known in that era of YouTube.

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      Similar here. I think I largely got in the thunderfoot sphere because of seeking out atheist stuff at the time. I am more wary of western atheist material these days, knowing how it gets co-opted by imperialism to justify hatred of religious peoples who the west wants to target (I think the first time I noticed this was with Sam Harris, though I didn’t have the vocabulary about imperialism at the time to put it in context).

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    Tbh i never completely fell into it. I was fully primed to become a huge piece of shit, but just…didn’t?

    Basically i was bullied and girls hated me and found me ugly between the ages of 13-19 and i stopped going to school for years. So i was a bullied incel that had no one to hang out with and nothing but internet access with which i went unto 4chan and various other meme sites that posted racist, misogynistic and otherwise bigoted things, but i never engaged with writing comments or posting my own “content” and mostly just chuckled at some of the memes.

    And eventually i stopped going to those pages because i didn’t feel like these were my people either. I just went “there are too many women reporting the same thing. They can’t possibly be this organized across multiple continents to lie about the same shit that men do against them. These men are over exaggerating” and “my opinions on women are to be considered wrong by myself until checked again”

    And that “men are over exaggerating” slowly turned into “just believe women and stfu” after i checked my opinions again.

    I did however also turn the “they can’t be this organised” towards the men as well because “they can’t be this organized to be this shitty towards women” so i never went into white savior radlib feminist mode either because i also didn’t vibe with the reddit radfems as i always saw the men lashing out in a sad pathetic way rather than a hateful way like they viewed it (if y’all get what i mean. I am autistic and feelings and describing them doesn’t come easily to me)

    This allowed me to still view the men as shitty, but also have empathy towards them (and myself) because “there had to be more to it” so i was never on the hate train against my own gender either.

    Eventually i found communism for myself. My education never really mentioned communism and besides just a general rejection of communism “in the air” there was not much that indoctrinated me against it. I basically immediately laid down all my liberal opinions or considered them “wrong until further notice” just like i did with my feminist opinions. And the thought of “these men can’t all just be born hateful, there has to be more to it” turned into “there is more to it, it is called materialism and it shapes the thought of the people” and then just accepted that the radfems might be wrong, but that it was because of the liberalism and not the feminism part.

    Funnily enough, this also makes it hard for me to fully buy into materialism because how the fuck did i escape it but all these other men didn’t? I was prime incel material! And now too, how the fuck did i go through this journey at that young of an age and was easily able to figure out that “there has to be more to it”? Is it just the lack of anti-communist indoctrination? There was plenty of pro-lib propaganda, but not that much of the anti-communist variety.

    It is hard for me to have gone through this journey of being prime incel material, through laying down liberal opinions a couple years later towards steeling myself with marxism-leninism at that age and then see that my current peers still have to go through that journey.

    My 15 year old incel gooner brained self had it more figured out than my inteligent and empathetic peers a decade later? Hard to buy, not gonna lie.

    Even at age 13 i remember telling my mom that i didn’t want to work my entire life and lose 8-10 hours of every day and that everyone is stupid for following along with it. I even said that it was unsustainable and eventually something will break lmao. That is actually exactly the point i stopped going to school and went unto my years of the great isolation.

    So in the end i still don’t really know how i did it besides just doing it. Would love y’all thoughts on this tbh

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    I never bought into this far right shit, but I used to access content that was meant as right wing propaganda. I used to browse 9gag a lot, just to have some laughs. But then I started thinking the memes were becoming less funny and more racist, until I stopped going there and instead went to Reddit. Suddenly I discovered socialist subreddits and got hooked into the theory.

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    Growing in a comprador country with reactionary politics makes you tend to Anti-SJW rhetoric, even though your country have much bigger issues before the culture war stuff -like blatant human rights violations.

    Then, I realised I don’t really interact with the contemporary media much; even when I do, the SJW stuff don’t bother me (except BG3, every NPC trying to get in my pants was very annoying). I stopped following the mainstream accounts, and grew out of it.

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    closest i got was the internet atheist shit
    when they started transitioning from dunking on creationists over to attempting to dunk on feminists i noped out

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    I remember being in the atheist online space back in like, 2009-2012 and there was a lot of the anti-SJW stuff then in that space. I mostly stopped going to those spaces because I always saw myself as a feminist and most of my friends at that time were women. So when I realized that they were just being shitty I just stopped listening to them. I replaced the atheist drivel with science education content, which has its own problems, but at least it wasn’t blatent misogyny. So, long story short, I didn’t get into this pipeline back in 2015, but I found the precursor and almost had issues with it.

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    At the time i was reading Bookchin and was a staunch libertarian socialist. So maybe my moments were back further… I never got into meme sites until later, avoided online almost entirely from 2010-2014, out of circumstance (living in tents while trying go to school and such). I think my pivotal moments were based on: reading increasingly reactionaty books and finding their problems (my “put down in disgust” points were ER Eddison’s The Worm Ouroboros, as well as Atlas Shrugged, specifically when the copper baron has a tirade about altruism). But in general growing up, i was in–closet trans in male dominated spaces, so my own identity and femininity and increasing preference for femme spaces and friendships helped keep stopping me from taking the red pill/black pill.

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    I had a cringe 12 year old Call of Duty player phase that I’m not really proud of. However, even before I knew anything about socialism I always felt a sense that there was something sleezy and dishonest about most the people shown here.