I think that European politicians talking about dissolving Europe should be considered traitors. Every single time when something leaks about politicians or influencers having weird positive opinions on Russia, it turns out they’ve been paid to do so.
Unite Europe, it’s possibly the last bastion against fascism
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what do we do with traitors?
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Same as last time. De Gaulle in Algeria, Churchill in India, Stalin and the US guy in their own empires, they all did some horrible shite. Still they were the bastion against fascism.
Not everything is a binary topic. Politics usually happen on a spectrum. If you have a look at history this was always true and it forever will be.
Yes there is lot to improve in the EU but compared to the US I think it’s fair to hope for the EU being the sensible counter force.
Well, then Poland should quickly order more US tanks, just like Denmark recently ordered more F-35 to show what they think of the US threats…
I still don’t know if it’s funny or sad how always those loudly talking are then competing on who can kiss the US’ ass better.
They also ordered 500 Korean tanks. Diversification is a thing, you know.
That’s not so much done for diversification but geography and economics.
Poland has regions where -just like in Ukraine- the average Western tank is at times to heavy to operate properly. The K2 is more than 10 tons lighter and Poland scrapped several original requirements to keep it that light because that’s the whole point. Also the K2PL variant additionally comes with (partly) modular composite armor.
And Poland wants domestic production (and the neccessary tech transfer to facilitate it). Something that South Korea is allowing for better footing in the wider European market.
That doesn’t make the decision for US Abrams as the main tank better.
You say it is not diversification and the describe another kind of diversification.
I said that diversification isn’t the goal. They have geographic and economic reasons. Actual diversification in military equipment for the sake of it is stupid because the most important thing in war (and the actual much bigger cost) is logistics.
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Didn’t it also became public the US could remotely “turn off” these F-35?
As far as I understand it, this is a (social) media exaggeration. But a lot of the F-35’s capabilities, in particular the stealth and networking that are the main selling point, depend on constant adaptions and updates of the electronic systems.
Sure, we can talk about conspiracy theories of a possible killswitch backdoor hidden in the code. But that wouldn’t even be F-35 specific. The more interesting aspect is logistics/spares and software updates for that very high-maintenance jet with modern electronics.
I still don’t know if it’s funny or sad how
It’s neither, it’s infuriating, especially when you were against F-35 from the beginning.
And f35s and apaches/blackhawks/chinooks (they can’t decide the way in which we’ll be fucked) and patriots and drones. And this is only the things i remember rn. They also want to get 250 strykers for free casue why not, we already have 4 types of MBTs so second wheeled APC wont make a differnce! Oh, and palantir!
Gonna need those to fight off the Americans.
AFAIK most US military equipment is either having kill switch or vendor locked to US intelligence
The thing is though, US vendor locking is the same as Europe’s, it’s the Western common NATO standard.
The US is using German rifles, the F-35 is made with European parts. I don’t think the US is economically able to directly antagonize the EU.
It doesn’t rule out shenanigans with soft power, but Trump is actively shedding that.
Great.
This must be the tenth time a European leader has said something like this. PROPOSE SOMETHING CONCRETE, YOU MORONS. I’m not going to draft the treaty that puts that on paper; you do it, that’s what you’re paid for, you damn idiot.
They don’t even need to propose anything, they already have all the rules in place. It’s more about making all the leaders aggree that when Denmark will ask for help agains military invasion according to European agreements, the other counties wouldn’t chicken out and try to appease a new dictator.
Spoiler: they will.already have all the rules in place.
Greenland is an EU overseas territory. There is no EU Article 42 defence. Denmark can still ask within Nato rules.
I’m Danish, and I’d like to believe that the rest of EU would at least impose harsh sanctions, but I’m beginning to worry that there won’t even be a strongly worded social media post.
yeah denmark isn’t yours idiot
Lol, Von Der leyen would not sanction the US if Trump stole her undergarments, the EU (sadly) won’t do shit. Maybe individual countries would wake up, but if they are like Spain, half the politicians live to lick republican boot.
Von Der Leyen would do anything if her weapon salesmen lobbyist friend told her to
Leader of my country already bent over backwards congratulating Glorious Leader on successful “special military operation” and all but wished him happy annexation
I’m extremely confident in europe and the EU, it might be a bit late (hindsight is always easy but a decade in international politics isn’t much) but I think there is a real “risk” that slowly we’ll be the place to be and everyone else just a half-banana republic. Or so I feel.
Please explain a bit more because I see Europe in real danger in the next decade. (Far right rising, usa, Russia, China wanting to weaken us)
There are and have always been bizarre political currents in europe (like the extreme left, and the revolutionary left bombing stuff in the eighties just as an axample), but it’s not like the USA where everything catches fire at once, we’re 27+ countries and they all pull in different ways, so far right expansion is something not to take lightly, but it will not be a walk in the park subverting the EU (fascists tend to need a sort of quick power grab) even if it can happen in distinct countries.
I also believe the Kremlin is behind lots of those problems, amplifying them and sponsoring far right parties. And it seems those days will come to an end or at least be correctly countered and not welcomed with open arms like in the last 20-30+ years.
So I’m quite optimistic for the long haul, we got some 5-10 turbulent years ahead but I’m confident we’ll survive mostly.
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That was before the EU…
What extreme left has been in Europe?
Nothing organised but there are some people.
https://www.dw.com/en/hungary-italian-on-trial-over-attack-on-far-right-march/a-69168089
Don’t expect to find unbiased reporting on this, the fact of the matter is someone who was likely her and her accomplices attacked and brutally beaten people who were most likely far right sympathizers going home from a Neo-Nazi-adjacent march to the brink of death.
It’s very generous to call a nazis attending annual nazi march “likely far right sympathizers going home from a Neo-Nazi-adjacent march”
Poor innocent everyday workers that did nothing wrong and just regular good people like you and me were going home from some gathering the purpose of which you shouldn’t worry about and please don’t look into it, were suddenly and unprovokedly attacked by some evil people for reasons you also shouldn’t look into, probably just because they’re evil, so you need to give the government more power to do violence.
Karl Marx
Are you just sealioning?
If not, one example is RAF, the Baader Meinhofen group among others but European history is full with extreme left lol.
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As per wikipedia:
The RAF engaged in a series of bombings, assassinations, kidnappings, bank robberies, and shootouts with police over the course of three decades.
Sounds quite extreme to me. I mean in their actions. Their political side was antifascism which is what everyone should be IMO but gets the extreme label when there us violence I guess.
Don’t insult people with “sealioning” when it’s their first reply. Not everyone is an expert in German politics from 25 years ago.
Wow have you never heard of EUROPEAN far left? Russian revolution, french anarchists, the list goes on.
I’m happy to answer but you should also put a minimum effort in a question about historical geopolitics, especially if you “don’t know anything”.
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I see Russian hands everywhere too, not just politically but in cyber attacks and industrial sabotage. The problem is the USA who already light sabotaged us as allies are turning full blown hostile under trump. Economy is stable but industry and job market are declining fast and AI will break this even more (not only a European problem though.)
But nationalism rising is what makes me more afraid as I fear countries leaving Europe under false pretense due to corrupted politicians (or controlled/blackmailed by foreign powers). I fear what is happening in the USA becoming the norm.
Not gonna happen. The EU has a joint GDP as large as China but Europe is stuck in nationalism and not getting over its imperialist past in terms of mindset.
IMO all kids in the EU would need to learn native level English from kindergarten on next to their native tongue and English would need to become an official language next to the local language if applicable in all EU countries.
And then all administrative matters and everything would need to be bilingual. Then Europe could use its immense cultural heritage, history in unionizing, strong labor laws and social security networks (that should become EU wide) to attract skilled people.
But for that people would have to get over the idea that they are somehow superior to other cultures, which is not gonna happen, so an Indian software engineer will rather go somewhere else than e.g. Germany because they don’t want to be treated like shit.
Then Europe could use its immense cultural heritage, history in unionizing, strong labor laws and social security networks (that should become EU wide) to attract skilled people.
That won’t ever happen, the people running the EU are neolibs through and through and they’ve been dismantling all that for 30 years.
Yeah unfortunately I agree with you.
its imperialist past in terms of mindset
is still viral.
European Federation
Europa
Republic of Europe
Federation of Europe
I like it it. Just don’t do United States of Europe. That would be crap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Join%2C_or_Die
It never is the full union from the start.
Join or Die
Unite or it’s Finished
Same thing.
Europe’s lemma is United in diversity. We could remain as separate sovereign states, you know.
Depends on where you draw the line of “sovereign”. You can’t really have, for example, an independent military in any reasonable way if you’re, idk, Belgium. But there is a sliding scale. The US, for example, is in theory just a highly integrated collection of loose states.
That’s what we had with NATO, and US ruined it. Make another NATO without them (with Canada).
Well, there’s NATO, but there’s also the 414 Panzerbataillon/Tankbataljon. As I said, sliding scale.
I disagree. We need a united front against the US and other powers. Especially our outwards responses are mired in long discussions where every country needs to have a say. We need a federal or super-national entity that decides upon these things without requiring every grain of sand to have input.
If we remain sovereign states, we will never see ourselves as “Europeans” but “French”, “German”, “Slovakian”, etc. We don’t have a “European” passport and it shows. There is no European identity just a mashup of multiple countries that think about themselves first and Europe second.
We have a centralized place to take decisions: the European Council and Parliament.
And I (and many others) would not like to lose sovereignty just because the European government cannot coordinate our nations.
That’s shortsighted and selfish thinking. The US needs people like you to be able to break up our union.
Yeah, sucks in many ways, but it is the only realistic way forward
Shit I really don’t want to agree with the militarists but… yea
Hurry up and team up with Mercosur, those guys are also under threat of the annoying orange.
Seriously the polish prime minister is DONALD TUSK???
What of it?
I don’t think the US is a threat to the European continent at all. Cheeto Jesus and the Republican cult are obsessed with the A in USA to include all of America, North and South, which includes Greenland. If the US becomes focused on expansion throughout America, then the big threat to Europe would be unchecked Russian aggression. Meanwhile, China continues to quietly expand deep and significant influence in Africa.
It’s all fucked. The mechanisms of globalization are being exploited by a few nations in order to hoard it all amongst themselves. At least, that’s my opinion. It’s not meant as a statement of fact.
USA is a threat to democracy as a whole in the par to russia and china.
Possibly worse. They’re the heart of surveillance capitalism, which is arguably the 21st century’s distilled evil
Not enough people point to this, even though it sits close to the heart of most of our other big problems right now. Big Tech in general exists in a societal blindspot, even as it actively and deliberately fractures and exploits society from all possible angles for profit and power.
100% agreed.
The USA’s recently published National Security Strategy explicitly states that the USA will work to undermine European democracies to protect Europe from “civilizational erasure” (which means the same as “white genocide” or “the existence of non-whites and non-fascists”). Europe has the USA, Russia and China all working actively to undermine it, and the USA and Russia are both doing so by covertly funding and supporting fascists against everyone else, while both gearing up for military attacks on European nations. Meanwhile European leaders are queuing up to praise and appease Trump in the hopes that he’ll be nice to them. I don’t see how you can be so confident.
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I think my comment was misunderstood (I am sure my wording was poor). Will the US try to exert influence and attempt to derail the political process in Europe? Absolutely. Will the US physically attack Europe like it does in the Americas and other places across the globe? No way. Will the US defend Europe from attacks by Russia? Only if its assets are threatened.
American colonialism is, at the moment and foreseeable future, focused on the Americas IMHO.
France nukes Russian bases, Moscow and St. Peterberg simultaneously. The Russian threat is all retaliatory with 0% chance of success as an end game. Then concentrate 100% on dealing with EU defense and security. Suddenly, Greenland is off the table.
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