I post lefty meme and was banned.

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    6 hours ago

    YDI, because you paint monsters and totalitarian regimes in a good light. What’s missing is that you try to paint Pol Pot in a good light.

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    Unfortunately most lemmy “leftists” continue to uncritically believe NATO propaganda about AES countries, which is why you have a bunch of losers in this thread whining about “tankies.” If you want an actual, non-anti-communist leftist comm, try .ml, lemmygrad, or hexbear.

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    Your great man post (the “history is made by great men” and then the Marx/Engels/Lenin/Stalin/Mao line) doesn’t fit the instance and also wasn’t a meme and would have been deleted by me anyway, but I wouldn’t have banned you for it.

    Your other posting was quite good, so imma reverse the community ban; if db0 feels like crashing out over this and banning you instance-wide, I’m sorry, that’s outside my control

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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      2 days ago

      Your comm is starting to attract too many red fash who take it as a useful propaganda platform.

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        I dunno db0, publicly calling out at Alsaas like this when she had nothing to do with it is out of line imo. It would have been removed by one of the lefty meme mods before long anyway. I see you kind of apologized to her but honestly I’m a bit annoyed on her behalf.

        And as Alsaas said, currently the biggest moderation problem is not MLs, who are usually well informed at least, but the brain-dead “reds-under-the-bed” turbolibs in the comments, who’ve never even heard of Joe McCarthy.

        I agree with Alsaas that content removal would have sufficed, so PTB in this case. And no hard feelings I hope.

        • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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          Two things can be a problem at once. These double standards we have recently where we keep tolerating ml rhetoric in our comms is why hardcore tankies like this person and dogbert and others are emboldened to outright propagandize in our comms. It’s why we keep seeing actual anarchists refusing to associate with us out of disgust with how many tankies are here. And when we get straight up propaganda like this from people with a clear anarchist-hating history, we give a slap on the wrist. Enabling further propaganda.

          No lib gets anywhere that amount of leeway in here.

          • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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            17 hours ago

            Don’t forget lefty memes is for “actual” leftists, not for libs.

            We usually start with post removal and then move on to a community ban if the user continues breaking the community rules. That’s standard practice no?

            It’s why we keep seeing actual anarchists refusing to associate with us out of disgust with how many tankies are here.

            Wut? Not all “actual” anarchists are rabidly anti ml ya know. The most pressing concern for me is fighting against rising fascism. If some mls want to post non-authoritarian lefty memes here that fit the instance rules, then what exactly is the problem?

            And in regards to OP, yes I agree those particular memes were not appropriate for the community and should and would have been removed as a matter of course.

            To put it in perspective, lefty memes is our top community and alsaas is a very sincere and thoughtful moderator who has been a big part of that success. I just don’t think it’s cool to get into pointless dramas with our own (good) mods just to justify your own mod actions in this post. People have feelings ya know.

            • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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              If some mls want to post non-authoritarian lefty memes here that fit the instance rules, then what exactly is the problem?

              The problem is exactly because an authoritarian ML posted a meme that doesn’t fit the instance rules. And now that they got off with a slap on the wrist, they continued to post similar shite. And that emboldens the rest like them.

              I just don’t think it’s cool to get into pointless dramas with our own (good) mods just to justify your own mod actions in this post.

              I don’t think it’s pointless. I see a troubling trend and I raised it at a relative moment. What would be a good point to raise this point? Randomly?

              People have feelings ya know.

              Sometimes I think y’all forget that the same applies to me, and I’m the one routinely dogpiled by libs and tankies. One going on right this moment about this post in fact.

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              Wut? Not all “actual” anarchists are rabidly anti ml ya know. The most pressing concern for me is fighting against rising fascism

              I also think you took my statement the wrong way. It wasn’t meant to call the rest “fake”, but pointing out that platforming/facilitating authcom rhetoric, is driving away anarchists who see things different than you do.

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                I don’t think it’s pointless. I see a troubling trend and I raised it at a relative moment. What would be a good point to raise this point? Randomly?

                Maybe when you aren’t on a hot streak of getting in internet fights with friends and foes alike? And ideally in a way that doesn’t make it look like you are throwing your own mods under the bus just to prove a point. Anyway I’m not gonna continue this here. If you actually want to have a proper conversation instead of public grandstanding then we can continue in matrix. I’m done with this here.

            • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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              Don’t forget lefty memes is for “actual” leftists

              I think the problem I have is what an “actual” leftist is defined as for your community.

              For full disclosure, here is my 12 Axes

              I fluctuate between Anarcho-Communist and Religious Anarchist depending on current events and how my neurodivergent brain that’s here in the US interprets these questions. For participating in your community and critiquing overt authoritarian takes, I am called “the liberal” by alsaaas (алсааас) in !queer_defense_front@lemmy.blahaj.zone, a tankie if I chime in on a news story that someone from lemmy.world happens to see, or even a wumao depending on how egregiously someone wants to lump me in with authoritarian communists for wishing to work with my neighbors to dissolve the American empire I was born in and suffer under.

              The moderation of that community VERY strongly favors a specific authoritarian communist bent and makes revolutionary anarchists feel distinctly unwelcome anytime they try to say that they have an issue with this.

              The specific issue I take here is that ‘“actual” leftist’ collapses left vs right into a binary when the political spectrum as a whole can’t be mapped out left and right, north and south, or even up and down. It needs a full 12 or more axes to exist within. Like. I’ve linked a quiz that is meant to critique the popular political compass model, and even then I find it to be a gross oversimplification of the entire political spectrum. Participating in your community gives no impression that it could be possible for anyone other than an authoritarian communist to not be called “the lib.”

              And so we’re clear, I’m not trying to attack anyone’s feelings, I’m just trying to make a critique about the environment that your moderation style has created. You can take this critique or you can not. I won’t be participating in your community for the foreseeable future because it’s abundantly clear that people like me, anarchists who hate all forms of authority and the state, are not welcome and will never be welcome as long as you and alsaaas (алсааас) maintain your current understanding of what an “actual” leftist is.

              • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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                9 hours ago

                I’m gonna go through the modlog and see if there is any truth to what you are claiming, because your assessment seems very vibes based to me right now. And I honestly can’t recall any pro authoritarian memes that have been permitted in this community. If you could maybe give some examples of memes that fit that category, that would be helpful, because honestly I’m confused by these claims.

      • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        First of all, I would firmly disagree with calling genuine ML(M)s “red fascists”, which is historically disingenuous and, in the present, dangerously inaccurate, especially regarding today’s global political climate.

        I believe the rules of c/leftymemes are already expansive to prevent irrational idolization/glorification (i.e. exaggerating positive aspects or denying mistakes to the point of lying). However, stating historical fact, or using historical figures to subvert expectations, does not violate that.

        Genuinely socialist memes of all stripes (!) have a place there as long as they adhere to the rules, which most do IMO. I admit that moderation could be more proactive and rules better enforced, but we don’t get don’t get a lot of reports either and currently the largest problem IMHO is the lib infestation in the comments…

        • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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          When the proposed “solution” of the ML(M) would be to place me in a fascist regime with a red coat of paint and oppress me (if not outright murder me in the name of the revolution), I will fucking call them red fash.

          or using historical figures to subvert expectations,

          There’s a fine line between subverting expectations and glorifying authoritarian leaders, and the new crop of posts are hell bent on crossing over it just enough to not get caught.

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            When the proposed “solution” of the ML(M) would be to place me in a fascist regime with a red coat of paint and oppress me (if not outright murder me in the name of the revolution)

            Just an FYI that this is a massive “[citation needed]” moment, literally no-one advocates for anything like that or even just reimplementing past socialist experiments (which happened under wildly different material conditions), 1:1 today. I believe you are building strawmen…

            There’s a fine line between subverting expectations and glorifying authoritarian leaders, and the new crop of posts are hell bent on crossing over it just enough to not get caught.

            Just showing them as characters in a meme != glorification IMHO (which is what has been happening in the posts that are still up, as far as I can tell).

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              Just an FYI that this is a massive “[citation needed]” moment, literally no-one advocates for anything like tha

              How can you say that with a straight face, when there’s a whole-ass instance glorifying North Korea?

              Not to mention that nobody outright says that they’re going to be oppressive. Lenin sounded great in 2017 1917 when he was writing effectively anarchist praxis. We just know that the creation of a new state is going to inevitably end up oppressing and killing those who oppose creating a state.

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                Apologies for the wording, I meant that in the “genuine ML(M)” context

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                whole-ass instance glorifying North Korea

                Also I don’t believe that to be unnuanced uncritical support that wants to blindly copy everything about it either, but largely geopolitical and critical support

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              Dogbert. Your most active user who got instance banned. They do that all the time and you gas them up.

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            When the proposed “solution” of the ML(M) would be to place me in a fascist regime with a red coat of paint and oppress me (if not outright murder me in the name of the revolution), I will fucking call them red fash.

            Just feel that this needs addressing:

            1. Socialism and communism aren’t fascism. Fascism is inherently a violent protection of the bourgeoisie, not a collectivized system of production and distribution.

            2. There are no real examples of communists issuing blanket “kill all the anarchists for thought crimes!” orders. Fighting has existed, sure, but never a one-sided affair.

            Essentially, this isn’t a “solution” posited by anybody.

            No, the “evil commies” don’t want to oppress you. We disagree on how society should be organized, but that doesn’t make communists anywhere close to fascists. Where anarchists seek communalized and decentralized production and distribution, communists seek collectivized production and distribution, and both of these are entirely different from fascism and the system of private ownership that oppresses us today.

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    2 days ago

    Yep, gross instance rules violation. Fuck outa here with the “great men” tankie shite.

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    Interestingly, you have previously posted here because you were banned for posting pure propaganda to a meme community. And it was, in fact, tankie shite.