• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    12 hours ago

    B-b-b-b-b-but China might, possibly, at some point in the future, try to reclaim Taiwan! Both sides! Two things true at once! Me speculating about something possibly happening is the exact same as the thing actually happening!

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      6 hours ago

      Hasn’t China stated that they intend to reclaim Taiwan? Don’t they claim Taiwan as part of their country right now?

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        4 hours ago

        There is no “claim” to be made and there is no “reclaim” to be had against such a claim.

        Taiwan is and always has been recognized as part of the country of China. That’s why the losing army in the civil war went there - because it was part of the country they were a party of.

        China has stated for 70 years that the island province of Taiwan will be integrated into the rest of the governance of the country. For 50 years it has explicitly stated it will be integrated peacefully, because the CPC recognizes that doing it forcefully would actually be contradictory and create a constant guerilla warfare situation as well as invite the world’s militaries to intervene. The CPC has no intention of forcing Taiwan to integrate except if Taiwan works with foreign governments to establish a substantial and real threat to the security of the mainland.

        If China waits long enough, the Western economies will collapse and Taiwan will very quickly and easily realize that the West just can’t support them anymore and when they look to see who they depend on for nearly everything, and who their relatives are and who their dominant trading partner and who can protect them militarily, it’s going to be an easy process of integrating the provincial government of Taiwan into the government of the mainland - especially since the CPC is committed to One Country Two System meaning the provincial government of Taiwan can continue operating with the same structure and same politicians and same processes as it has now.

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        3 hours ago

        China seeks to reclaim Taiwan as part of China for the same reason Taiwan seeks to reclaim the mainland as part of China.

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        5 hours ago

        Yes, as they have since the war, just as Taiwan claims China. Your point?

        Peace with Taiwan has been maintained for nearly a hundred years, with a mutual understanding that nobody would try to force the issue too hard (look up “strategic ambiguity”). In recent years, the US has been recklessly deviating from that understanding and now people treat the status quo as “Chinese aggression,” because of propaganda.

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        3 hours ago

        Yeah these guys are dreaming that China won’t invade Taiwan.

        China is not the good guys now… America is just fuckin worse

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          3 hours ago

          If you believe in good guys and bad guys as an adult I’ve got a fuckin Harry Potter wand to sell you

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            2 hours ago

            Not every country in the world is as corrupt as the the US.

            You let your politicians trade shares, what else do you all expect to happen?

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              58 minutes ago

              No capitalist country can have a good democracy, some have just way better PR than others. Hell, the crackdown on pro Palestinian protests in western liberal democracies proves that.

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            2 hours ago

            China was just talking recently about how Taiwan is there’s…

            What world do you live in where China won’t invade Taiwan eventually…

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              1 hour ago

              They’ve been “just recently” talking about how Taiwan is theirs for the past 70 years and haven’t done shit.

              I live in a world where basic pattern recognition exists.

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      11 hours ago

      Also Taiwan is a staging ground for a US invasion, claims sovereignty over China, has it’s airspace go far over mainland China, and so much more. Somehow China not being a fan of this is the same as when the United States coups another country because it elected someone that doesn’t align 100% with us policy.

      Is it possible for more than two things being true at once? Is it in fact possible that reducing everything to “both sides bad” isn’t some supreme insight, but instead just a mantra that allows libs to support the status quo of us imperialism? thonk

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        11 hours ago

        Is it possible for more than two things being true at once?

        Scientists recently managed to get three things to be true at once, but it only lasted for a couple seconds. It may be possible for as many as four, even five things to be true at the same time, but that’s purely theoretical at this point.