Edit context: Hasan is calling out right-wingers for getting upset about leftists carrying guns.
Every leftist should arm themselves at all times at this point.
I hope that this is not hyperbole, but that you american democrats are actively considering it. I briefly scanned the no stupid questions Lemmy community, and as a non-american, a lot of this has me worried. There is so much terror from ICE. I’ll post on X, arguing against the barrage of misinformation about my country from MAGA supporters, and there will be occasional Americans calling “Please help us!” to EU citizens.
You may need to start stocking a bit more in the pantry. Start talking to your neighbors in case the insanity starts to land on your doorstep. Consider what options you have in terms of the second amendment. During his first term it may have seen like a fluke, but with the growing inequality, harsher policies, economic protectionism…
Elon Musk on X is attempting to start a grassroots movement for implement voter ID. What will this grassroots movement turn into under Trump? Trump is “jokingly” talking about canceling the midterms. You may say he is not able to accomplish this, but who knows what will happen? The divide between democrats and republicans are now so large that it may lead to civil war if it continues.
People dismiss these things. It seems like a slow moving train wreck. It feels like something that only happens on TV. We think there are rules and regulations to prevent it from happening. What rules? What regulations? Are there any left in the US that can’t be bought or intimidated?
Every protest needs to have a line of armed people standing right in front.
That, more than anything, will make ICE think twice before attacking. (Because they’re pussies.)
Go far enough left and you get your guns back.
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
― Karl Marx
Im so goddamn hot for this shit
Giuseppe Memeo
“You want to live in a world without the need for guns, yet you use them when necessary. Curious! I am very intelligent.”
The fact that they said “leftists” instead of “liberals” made me think they weren’t a right-winger.
Even liberals call most leftists liberals…
I got more context from the thread.
The right to bear arms is a liberty
I watched the whole thing he said and was immediately ready to join the Philly Black Panthers. Don’t worry about the fact that I’m a MidWest white lady.
You can join the white panthers. The white panthers back up the black panthers
Or maybe it’s time for a new Rainbow Coalition to rise from the ashes.
I’m sure this time the FBI won’t sabotage it. Surely.
It’s overdue
Is this true or is this the white power equivalent because some people got mad?
Idk about today, but the original panthers did have a solidarity org for white folks, called The White Panthers.
If you’ve ever heard the band, The MC5, they were in the White Panthers
The Rainbow Coalition also included an org called The Young Patriots, which was a communist group that organized white southerners and Appalachians who had migrated north to big cities
Why are people that used to belong to these orgs not being interviewed regularly? I feel like it would be useful to learn from them.
Because the companies that pay people to interview people are owned by fascists.
Sure, but I listen to a fair amount of non corporate media and you get such interviews very, very infrequently. These orgs were not that uncommon.
The White Panther Party is legitimate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Panther_Party
I can understand the concern at least, it’s a white supremacist thing to co-opt things.
No he is forming a rainbow coalition just like Fred Hampton
I’m in.
I’m not a big fan of guns. But fuck these losers for having a problem with people displaying their guns. Suck a donkey dick ya pussies.
The only people who should own guns are the people who really really don’t want to show them off.
Reminds me back in the day was browsing a socialist gun subredditt at my brother’s house and my brother was shocked. He said “socialist have guns!”
I have it on good authority that there are far, far more liberals and leftists armed in the USA than anyone can imagine.
The difference is when you’re not an ammosexual you don’t have to constantly scream and whine and cry about your guns. You just have them and know how to use them and not think about them 24/7.
Every SHARP I know is armed to the teeth.
SHARP?
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
― Karl Marx
Exactly!
The number of people who think that’s the second amendment is frustratingly high
Most leftists don’t think all guns are always bad so I’m not sure what value they’re supposedly turning on here. Pretty sure the prevailing complaint on the left is about how easy it is to acquire a firearm, not that people have them.
I support people’s right to own weapons but it should be a lot harder to purchase and there should be MUCH greater punishments if the weapon you own is used in a shooting (I’m thinking parents of school shooters who poorly secured their guns)
These people don’t understand nuance. If you’re against general unrestricted availability of guns, but are not against all availability of guns, you’ve already lost them, they’ll label you as “anti-gun nut” and then be shocked if you say you own a gun, call you “out” on turning on your own convictions.
i dont think that comment is in reference to leftists turning on an antigun stance but right wing media turning on their hardline 2nd amendment stance to vilify them for it
Ohhh, I guess I interpreted the quoted tweet as positive
It helps to have the context of the views of the speak. Hasanabi is a left guy (I had to double check this).
I knew Hasan was left but not that the quoted tweet was a conservative reporter complaining about it
In addition to your last sentence, the most stolen item is firearms. If it isn’t secured properly, what happens with it should be on you, even if it’s stolen. If it was secured properly and they still got to it, like breaking open a secure gun safe (not a cheap Walmart one), what happens with it after should not be your fault.
Yeah, that’s absolutely what I mean. If your kid takes your gun to school, you did a shit job securing it
I read that as Hasan questioning the MAGAt if there was any value rightoids won’t forfeit since they are stereotypically very 2A and now this guy’s positing as if owning guns to guard against a tyrannical government is bad.
If he was trying to criticize leftists or liberals, why’d he choose a right wing source of the news to react to?
To be fair, I don’t really watch Hasan, so it’s possible my interpretation is completely wrong as clarified in one of his streams.
Yeah, that’s how I read it too.
The thing about reactionaries is that they think rules are for other people. It’s only hypocritical if one takes them at their word, but they only care about winning points in arguments. They’ll argue any position if they can twist it into sounding reasonable, and they’ll steal the language of liberation from the left to do so.
Their singular principle is that entrenched power must defend itself, because they know benefits them directly. They sincerely don’t care about the second amendment; they don’t think it applies to everyone, only “real” Americans who look and act like white supremacists.
One of my fears is if I try to buy a gun, someone will actually let me.
How could you make it harder? Imagine if it was hard for all the new gun owners in Minnesota? I’m guessing you just want to make the rules?
In my opinion, there should be mandatory training and testing to check that you know how to store and operate your firearm properly. You should also be required to own a secure place to store it.
The training and testing should be paid for by taxes though (at least the first time) so poor people aren’t restricted from gun ownership.
I believe that’s called the Firearm Safety Certificate lol
Basically, though I believe that does not require you to be certified for the gun you’re purchasing. It just requires general knowledge. I think it should go further.
Also, that is not a federal requirement to purchase a firearm. It’s only required in some jurisdictions.
Ideally, it should also require fairly frequent practice. This rule would be hard to enforce though.
All guns work the same. Only different is the action (how to load the gun) and there are only a few subcategories. How other people vote and decide to run there town is out of our hands. This idea that guns are hard to use is quite the contrary they are designed for anybody to use that’s why they are so deadly. Less then 1% of legal gun owners do a crime with there legally owned guns. USA doesn’t have a gun issue we have a criminal and mental health issue. Criminals do not follow any guns laws causing regular citizens to be outgunned. And we should ask ourselves what is going on in society that is causing people to shoot themselves? But you’re proving my point you just want the rules to be your way. How each state and country decide there laws is what true democracy stands for.
Yeah, militaries spend time training with specific weapons just for fun…
Sure, every gun uses gunpowder to fire a round. The methods they handle this can be fairly different, though it isn’t incredibly important. The important thing is, when it comes time to use it, that you’re familiar with the gun you have. If you aren’t then you’ll be slower. You also need to know how to clean it, and how the safety mechanism work (whether there is a safety switch, etc), and where it is on your gun.
Owning one should be a responsibity. If you aren’t ready to operate it then you don’t need to own one. Best case, if you need it you’ll be too slow and useless to be able to. Worst case, it’s stolen and used to commit a crime, and this isn’t unlikely. Firearms are, IIRC, the most frequently stolen item.
I’m obviously talking about states with weak gun laws, not the people in the photo. Minnesota’s firearm regulations are fine.
Like which states?
The Second Amendment is meant for SHOOTING SCHOOLS and TODDLERS SHOOTING PARENTS NOT Protecting your Neighborhoods!
Somebody needs to hack the NRA website and make this their motto, lol
Ah yes the famous NRA meetings where they vote
Why do people think that’s a leftist?
Sounds like every single american who sees masked guys in their neighborhood and hasn’t turned on the news in a couple years.
Liberals don’t like guns and Republicans like Ice, so who does that leave?
Lots of left leaning people have guns we just don’t make them our entire personality
I have four myself. I hate to carry one though. I’m too aware of the responsibility involved. I’d rather be beaten up than kill someone.
It leaves the regular americans who are not into political tags. You know, most of us.
History books are gonna stick people and movements into categories whether they actively espouse the labels themselves or not, but tbf not reading history books because “we’re not like those other countries” is about as American as it gets, so rock on
Maybe the labels are less valuable than people think.
They sure as fuck aren’t promoting class unity
The lesson here is to recognize all those labels that are stuck on people in those history books are possibly biased garbage.
I don’t like guns. But if you got 'em, use 'em.
Okay but imagine a guy who hasn’t watched the news in 3 years. Does he know what ICE is? Is he going to understand what a lib is in 2026?
There is a percentage of americans that don’t even have internet accesss.
Same thing libs were in 2020…
Only the communists
You’re not a hypocrite for following the current law and also wanting to change the same law.
One opinion is about what an individual’s best choice is, given the situation.
The other is about what laws would be best for a society to have.
What’s best for an individual is not always the same as what’s best for a group or society.
Real leftism has always been pro-gun. This liberal anti-gun nonsense is childish.
Its not childish. In fact the Democrat leaders that push for it are the same ones trying to betray the american people at every turn. Which makes it a Republican Tactic to keep Democrat voters defenSeless and further more to make them think it is their own idea to be defenseless.
Its a wild and crazy mentality to have, I know, and yet here we are in a world where Republicans dont want Democrats to have protection from them and Democrats also dont want Democrats to have protections from Republicans.
The state should not have the power to brutalize its own people. They should not have a monopoly on violence. Never again.
To add to this, political speech (much like online discourse) benefits from flattening.
Nuance (I enjoy guns and am pro-gun but I think there should be controls in place to make it more difficult for people who are likely to kill to obtain them) is harder to argue against and harder to make stick in people’s minds.
Gun rights are a liberty dumbass
Ok lib
Okay stalinist
The problem that we frequently run into is people who only want what’s best for them at the cost of society, while still wanting full benefits of being a member of said society.
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“Oh my god! You hypocrite! You are not supposed to fight back! You have morals remember?!?”
That is not what is happening here
Thr media literacy in this thread is sad
A friend just messaged me that Mississippi jumped from 50th to 8th in reading comprehension, not because they suddenly did better, but because everyone else did so much worse.
This thread confirms that.
They actually put a lot of time and effort into public education. Turns out, providing more resources to students and teachers has positive outcomes on education. Pretty much proves that the shitty education kids get in southern states is a choice.
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