Yeah it is much more risky. China hasn’t used it’s tech to affect policy in the EU so far while the US has.
Wouldn’t be so sure about that, tbh. China may not sanction ICC judges and freeze their mail accounts, but Tiktok and its algorithms are controlled by China. IIRC, they have been proven to manipulate that algorithm in the past to restrict the reach of (positive) queer and disabled content, for example, so I would absolutely not surprised if they manipulated the reach of political content before elections etc.
The us directly and openly tried affecting policies by blackmailing the ICC (if you don’t do x for us, we will do y to you). That is not the same as asserting influence. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but your argument doesn’t counter the point that dependency on US Tech is (right now) more risky than dependency on Chinese Tech.
I would argue we don’t need to pick or rank. We need to acknowledge that both (and Russia) are a threat to european independence and european democracy, and we need to act accordingly.
It’s not really relevant anyway, apples and oranges i suppose. You’re right - we need to understand the threat and respond to it. The articles narrative that we only have two options (be dependent on either Chinese or US tech) is false.
The articles narrative that we only have two options (be dependent on either Chinese or US tech) is false.
That is an Axel Springer medium for you. Leaving out facts, twisting the meaning of details. If I had anything to decide, outlets owned by that publisher would be added to the list of banned media in this comm.
Wouldn’t be so sure about that, tbh. China may not sanction ICC judges and freeze their mail accounts, but Tiktok and its algorithms are controlled by China. IIRC, they have been proven to manipulate that algorithm in the past to restrict the reach of (positive) queer and disabled content, for example, so I would absolutely not surprised if they manipulated the reach of political content before elections etc.
The us directly and openly tried affecting policies by blackmailing the ICC (if you don’t do x for us, we will do y to you). That is not the same as asserting influence. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but your argument doesn’t counter the point that dependency on US Tech is (right now) more risky than dependency on Chinese Tech.
Honestly, I find the chinese way much more dangerous because it’s much harder to detect. It’s soft power versus brute force.
I agree with that, if i had to pick who of those two is a bigger threat to the EU overall i wouldn’t really know.
I would argue we don’t need to pick or rank. We need to acknowledge that both (and Russia) are a threat to european independence and european democracy, and we need to act accordingly.
It’s not really relevant anyway, apples and oranges i suppose. You’re right - we need to understand the threat and respond to it. The articles narrative that we only have two options (be dependent on either Chinese or US tech) is false.
Glad we can agree.
That is an Axel Springer medium for you. Leaving out facts, twisting the meaning of details. If I had anything to decide, outlets owned by that publisher would be added to the list of banned media in this comm.
Do you have any sources for that? I don’t doubt it, I’m just curious.
https://netzpolitik.org/2019/discrimination-tiktok-curbed-reach-for-people-with-disabilities/
Interesting, I would have thought that they would go against LGBT+ more, but maybe that hasn’t been leaked yet.
You gotta keep in mind that Tiktok is not accessible in China. And I don’t have a clue how these topics are handled on Douyin.
Tiktok is now US-owned, and under the control of Larry Ellison.
Only the TikTok for US citizens is now US owned (or 80%), the regular TikTok (that is inaccessible from China) is still Chinese.
Only in the US. Everywhere else it’s still Bytedance.