Germany has deported 20 people to Afghanistan on what was the first flight directly agreed with the Taliban since the militants’ return to power in 2021

  • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    What is it now? Are they deported because they’re illegal or because the are “convicted of heinous crimes (drug trafficking and rape)”, as you wrote before?

    It’s not complicated:

    Foreign national enters the country illegally to seek asylum (which is fine) -> commits a serious crime -> their asylum case is no longer valid -> they no longer have legal status to remain the country -> deported

    So they get a free pass now, because they’re of another nationality?

    They don’t. They almost carry out their sentence in Germany first and the get deported right after. This is not a get out jail free card. This is a you’re leaving the country after you finish your sentence in jail card.

    • kossa@feddit.org
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      1 day ago

      It is very complicated.

      commits a serious crime -> their asylum case is no longer valid

      If their asylum case is dismissed because of crimes, that would be a direct violation of human rights. The right to asylum does not depend on whether you’re a nice or very shitty person.

      They almost carry out their sentence in Germany

      So in the eyes of the law they’re redeemed and attoned? How is their crime then relevant in the legal discussion about deportation? You, personally, can still hate them for their crimes, the state cannot. So it’s back to “do they have a reason for asylum?”. I’d say yes, very much, it’s an easy case for Afghanistan.

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        7 hours ago

        The right to asylum does not depend on whether you’re a nice or very shitty person.

        But it does depend on whether or not you’re a genuine threat to society, which these individuals are.

        So in the eyes of the law they’re redeemed and attoned?

        They’re not German citizens or residents. Germany has no obligation to keep them in the country. They lost their legal status and chance at attaining asylum when they committing the crimes, and they’re no longer allowed in the country once they serve their sentences.

        I’d say yes, very much, it’s an easy case for Afghanistan.

        I’m not sure why you’re willing to go so far to defend literal rapists being deported, but there’s no credible evidence that the Taliban has gone after any of the deportees from the previous deportation rounds that Germany made. These are muslim Afghani men who were rejected from the west, I think the Taliban will embrace them if anything.

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          32 minutes ago

          But it does depend

          No. Here’s the funny thing: having human rights depends on nothing! That is what makes them ‘universal’ and ‘inalienable’.

          chance at attaining asylum when they committing the crimes

          Again not how human rights work. I’m pretty sure that even the state has better reasoning for the deports than you, as this would be such a blatant violation of human rights, that it would be very awkward for Germany.

          go so far to defend literal rapists

          You made that allegation often in this thread. But you do realize that defending the individual and their deed is very different from defending their rights? All those ‘Western’ and ‘Christian’ values? Here we could really show them and fill those words with meaning. Having values and standing for them becomes hard, when you have to apply them to rapists, yes. But that’s also the test, whether you’re serious about those grandiose values.