• NorskSud@lemmy.pt
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    4 hours ago

    They don’t want European competition and especially no European power in whatever shape.

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      4 hours ago

      China and Russia? A Europe that is fully controlled by the US is much more dangerous for them.

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        3 hours ago

        No. The most dangerous Europe for China, Russia or the US is an independent and unified Europe. A Europe controlled by the US is weak and divided, much easier to distract and kept in check.

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          3 hours ago

          An independent Europe would fit into the multipolar world. A dependend Europe will be used by the US to decouple China and Russia from the rest of the world.

          For Russia snd China, an independend Europe would be best.

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            3 hours ago

            A subjugated, without own defensive capacity, better for them? Then they can dismiss our democracies and freedom with the simple accusation of being a “US colony”. A strong, independent and autonomous democratic Europe with a strong social system is the biggest threat to any dictatorship or empire.

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              2 hours ago

              Democracy is a political argument while decoupling is an economic argument.

              If the US manages to economically isolate Russia and China, or even China alone, the US will maintain hegemony and ultimately crush China.

              I don’t see that existential threat from Europe’s democracy. If Europe becomes that independent that it becomes a role model, then Russia and China can follow suit. They both can’t become full democracies now because the US would influence the elections to its advantage.