• Hirom@beehaw.org
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    If they doesn’t want Poland to have its own nuclear weapons, Russian and the USA should put more effort into progressive nuclear disarmement as agreed by treaty:

    the NPT non-nuclear-weapon states agree never to acquire nuclear weapons and the NPT nuclear-weapon states in exchange agree to share the benefits of peaceful nuclear technology and to pursue nuclear disarmament aimed at the ultimate elimination of their nuclear arsenals.

    Russia stopped participating in START, that agreement officially expired last month, and there has been no new agreement between Russia and the USA tio reduce stockpiles. Trump is chaotic, threatens to invade allies, so there’s reason to doubt it would defend NATO allies.

    So it’d be logical for Poland to look into building its own nuclear deterrence. The solution is to better enforce the NTP, decrease everyone’s stockpile, including Russian and USA’s.

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    THAT’S YOUR WARNING-SIGN:

    EUROPE NEEDS TO BE CAPABLE OF FIGHTING TRUMP’S US, EVEN AT NUCLEAR SCALE.

    TRUMP OPPOSES ANY THREAT TO HIS FUTURE-AGGRESSIONS.

    HEED HIS TELEGRAPHING, PLEASE.

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    It’s like the US only realized the cost of trump’s bullshit after the fact.

    NATO made European nuclear ambitions less essential and thus helped reduce nuclear proliferation. When the US threatens that alliance and shows itself to be completely unreliable (does anyone expect donald to launch nukes in defence of Europe?) Then Europe is almost forced to get a European nuclear deterrent.

    In the meantime, thank fuck for Charles deGaulle.

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    Of course, because with European countries having their own nuclear deterrence, neither the USA nor the current US government’s handlers in the Kremlin can’t blackmail them into submission anymore.

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      Only upvotes, no questions?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starshield

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

      The USSR collapsed because they invested in weapons and not civilian infrastructure. This is another space race, another SDI.

      Putin doesn’t control Trump but the US controls EU politicians. The US don’t need nukes to influence Europe. Wasting engineers on those nukes prevents them from developing better batteries and other critical infrastructure and prevents the population from demanding an end to the more direct influence.

      The EU doesn’t produce CPUs or memory. That’s a much bigger threat.

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    The moment the US used the NATO deterrent as trade leverage, that ship sailed.

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    This is a terrible predicament to be in for the north east and center of Europe. All future options are worse than the pre-Trump option. Which one is the least bad, also in terms of other countries’ responses? 1 France’s umbrella 2 US umbrella 3 Russian umbrella 4 north-east-central europe umbrella?

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        Because the south does not have a dangerous, expansionist neighbor such as Russia.

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          Without the rest of the EU, the south is nothing. The EU is in this problem together and when it comes to threats, it is not only Russia. The EU has to defend its supply chains and markets globally.

          But there is a big chance that expansive Russia is for the most part western propaganda to split the EU from Russia. If Russia’s urge for expansion turns out to be exagerated then priorities could be put on other dependencies, like not having own CPU and memory production capabilities.

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            The second paragraph of your response… You think that Russia is not expansionist? What about all the countries it has invaded in its periphery?

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              The Russia of today is not imperialistic Russia and not the USSR. The countries were invaded in the past. We don’t treat France like that despite them bombing Libya recently.

              Framing the Ukraine war as an imperialistic war is western propaganda. Russia wanted to cooperate more but the west blocked it, among them chancellor Kohl.

              The world would be different if the EU and the Russian Federation were on a way towards peaceful unification. Using that as point of reference pales any gains that could come from imperial motives.

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                Framing the Ukraine was as an imperialistic war is western propaganda

                What? Russia is free to end this war any time they choose. Doesn’t seem like there can be any peace with Russia as long as Putin stays in power, same as we can’t rely on the US as long as Trump is its head.

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                  There is no need for relying if it is forced. That’s the new US mode of operation. In times of the internet it’s difficult to uphold an image so the US relies on raw influence.

                  We have to buy US gas now. Of course, that’s because we don’t want to buy from Russia and we can’t buy from Iran because it is sanctioned and we can’t buy from Qatar because the infrastructure is bombed.

                  Even with Russia, Uktaine and the billions for NGOs, at the origin there is US influence. For the sanctions on Iran and the current war, that’s more obvious.

                  There can be peace with Russia if we don’t treat the war as imperialistic.

                  The most bold solution would be to unite the EU and the Russian Federation and make Ukraine the center.

                  The difficulty lies in making the US an offer for their lost sales and influence. How could we give the US their share of influence if the EU and Russia become the most powerful organisation on earth?

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    More countries with nukes is not good, imagine Orban with nukes. But EU owned and managed nukes? Sounds great to me.