Jordan Lund is NOT a good human being.

Right, the Gaza Genocide isn’t US Politics… Those aren’t US made bombs being dropped with US politicians cheering them on and US diplomatic support and denial allowing the Genocide to continue. Nothing could be more salient to US politics than the ways in which the Palestinian Genocide drove us to war.

What a joke.

I feel that this situation unfortunately requires escalation and I will be directly contacting Lemmy World mods, I will update with their response.

For the record the first article about corporate complicity in the Palestinian Genocide includes references to many major US corporations, thus making it drirectly relevant to US politics at an immediate level.

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42581206

https://www.alai.info/en/corporate-participation-and-complicity-in-the-genocide-against-the-palestinian/

The second article about US media’s complicity in coverage over the Palestinian Genocide… do I need to actually explain how that is related to US politics? Of course it is?

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579919

https://dawnmena.org/destroying-al-shifa-hospital-robin-andersens-the-complicity-lens-us-media-coverage-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza/

The third article is relevant because the US and Israel have been intimately interwoven in their escalation of Genocide and breaking of international norms, if a Genocide begins in Lebanon it will be a DIRECT continuation of US politics applied first in Israel and next in Lebanon. I mean what the hell we are fighting a war RIGHT NOW and this is the biggest escalation possible IN THAT WAR. How is that NOT related to US politics???

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579757

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon

The fourth article about there being no ceasefire in Gaza, I don’t even know how to go about this one, om, it is politics involving primarily the US here? The US is the single most relevant political actor capable of changing this situation? How is this not US politics? Where can you cleanly draw a line here?

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630002

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza

The US is directly and intimately complicit in the Palestinian Genocide, you cannot in good conscience nor with logical consistency separate US politics cleanly from this issue, if you wanted that to be possible you should have spoken up louder against the Genocide before, now it is too late to fumble with broken stilted arguments like this. The Palestinian Genocide is US Politics, period, end of story.

Can we finally stop pretending that what we have been witnessing in Gaza over the past 22 months is a “war,” a “conflict,” or even a “humanitarian crisis”? Many of the world’s leading human rights and humanitarian groups – including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders – agreed months ago that what is being livestreamed to our phones on a daily basis is indeed a genocide.

…

Trump’s Republican allies in the House and Senate are even more gung-ho. Forget complicity; Congress is filled with GOP cheerleaders for genocide, from Senators Tom “bounce the rubble in Gaza” Cotton to Lindsey “level the place” Graham. The newest member of the House, Randy Fine, a Republican representative of Florida, has called for the nuking of Gaza and said just days ago that Palestinians in Gaza should “starve away” until the Israeli hostages are all released. (A reminder that incitement to genocide is also a crime under Article III of the Genocide convention.)

But we cannot let Democrats off the hook either. The first 16 months of this mass slaughter unfolded on a Democratic president’s watch. From the get-go, Joe Biden gave Netanyahu and his cabinet of génocidaires everything they needed – 2,000-lb bombs to drop on refugee camps filled with Palestinian children? Check. UN security council vetoes to prevent the passage of resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire? Check. The burial of internal US government reports warning of war crimes and famine in Gaza? Check.

It wasn’t just Biden. The vast majority of Democrats in Congress spent much of 2024 casting vote after vote to keep arming, funding and whitewashing the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Even now, in the summer of 2025, seven high-profile Democratic senators were happy to take a smiling photo with Netanyahu, including the Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, who claims talk of genocide is antisemitic and says his job “is to keep the left pro-Israel”.

  • Mehdi Hasan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/02/the-us-complicit-genocide-israel-gaza

    • jordanlund@lemmy.world
      555·
      3 days ago

      I temp banned you for three days after you repeatedly failed to follow the clear guidelines I gave you.

      When the ban expires, you’re welcome to post US Politics articles back in Politics as you did here (excellent post BTW):

      https://lemmy.world/post/44253357

      If you insist on posting “Israel bad!” to a community specifically for US Politics, you will get banned again.

      Israel / Gaza = Goes in !world@lemmy.world

      Things actually involving US Politics goes in Politics.

      This is why separate communities exist.

      • Serinus@lemmy.world
        12·
        16 hours ago

        I endorse this comment.

        Yes, the !politics@lemmy.world community followed the convention from Reddit. If you want to post Israel bad in a US politics community, relate it more closely to US politics. Polling about elections, AIPAC donations, votes or movement on a particular bill are examples. What exactly is wrong with posting in !world@lemmy.world or !globalpolitics@lemmy.world or wherever else you want?

        The sources thing is also reasonable. May not be perfect, sure, but you’re welcome to moderate your own community.

        There certainly aren’t enough current issues to replace/remove a moderator, especially one who has done so much unappreciated work for Lemmy and his communities.

        This whole post seems like a harassment campaign.

        • jordanlund@lemmy.world
          24·
          16 hours ago

          The fascinating thing to me is they STILL haven’t re-posted the removed stories to the communities where they are appropriate and welcome.

          Almost… almost like they would rather stir up drama than promote the articles. 🤔

          For each of the removed articles they were told where they could post them.

          Someone posting in good faith would go “Oh, ok, sorry…” and put it up where it goes. I have that all the time when I remove self posts and go “Dude, !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world is over there…”

      • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyzOP
        382·
        3 days ago

        If you insist on posting “Israel bad!” to a community specifically for US Politics, you will get banned again.

        Please elaborate on what precisely you mean by “Israel bad!”? Do you mean low effort articles that claim Israel is bad for intellectually lazy reasons? Have I posted those? If so which ones? What evidence do you have of those articles having baseless, sloppy criticisms of the politics at hand here?

        Israel / Gaza = Goes in !world@lemmy.world

        How does this make sense? Defend your position as moderator of a community where you exclude Israel/Gaza as a political topic but you do not exclude discussion of any other international issue that has direct, intimate relevance to the US along countless dimensions?

        I temp banned you for three days after you repeatedly failed to follow the clear guidelines I gave you.

        Ok, lets make a bet, how many US made bombs do you think Israel will drop from US trained fighter pilots flying US jets that refueled on US made tanker aircraft on innocent children in the next 3 days while I wait to post political articles about it? 20? 30? I will say 35 as my guess, what do you guess?

        • jordanlund@lemmy.world
          436·
          3 days ago

          Politics is specifically stated to be for US Politics.

          Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is NOT US Politics. Israel is not the United States.

          No US Politician told Israel to bomb a hospital. There was no vote in the House or Senate to authorize bombing hospitals.

          Yes, what Israel is doing are war crimes, but they are outside the sphere of US Politics.

          Israel being a bad actor is welcome in !world@lemmy.world

          Unless there is a specific connection to US Political leaders or Policy (as there was in the post that was NOT removed), it doesn’t belong in !politics@lemmy.world

          I have this same conversation when people post internal US News to World as well. World is a US news free zone. Otherwise it would be “Trump does stupid shit” top to bottom.

          • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyzOP
            294·
            17 hours ago

            So let me get this straight so I can laugh harder at your absurd attempts to rationalize your innate emotional desire not to see reality for how it is, if Israel drops a 2000 pound bomb US made bomb on a children’s school in Gaza and kills 15 children, and then US politicians run cover for Israel stopping international agencies that could hold Israel accountable from being able to do so… you don’t think that is relevant to US politics?

            The US is absolutely instrumental along every dimension in the Palestinian Genocide, material, monetary, political, cultural… in every respect the US is relevant. if you cannot grasp that you should not be moderating a Politics community, period, full stop. Having you in charge of a Politics community is tantamount to having a child run a Liquor store unsupervised, you have no clue what you are doing and frankly it is dangerous.

            As a final note, in the interests of shitting on anti-semitism because let me make clear I cannot stand anti-semites they piss the hell out of me, fuck people who lazily blame the consequences of their choices on jews and call it a day… it is necessary to discuss how Israel is a colonial imperialist outpost of the US and reflects many of the same patterns the US has in order to diffuse anti-semitic narratives that Israel’s behavior has something to do with being jewish and evil, and nothing to do with being a vassal state of a colonial empire that can do things the colonial empire/suzerain can’t get away with doing themselves.

            • jordanlund@lemmy.world
              329·
              3 days ago

              If you link to a story showing the US House or Senate voting to cover for Israel (or, heck, voting to sanction Israel), that would, in fact, be US Politics.

              US Politicians taking official action regarding Israel is fine for !politics@lemmy.world

              Israel committing war crimes in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria goes in !world@lemmy.world

              US Politicians volunteering to be Israeli lapdogs like Schumer or Fetterman do repeatedly? Also !politics@lemmy.world

              Because, again, US politicians doing political things in the US.

              Israel illegally invading Lebanon, AGAIN? !world@lemmy.world That’s Israeli political policy, not US political policy.

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                31·
                1 day ago

                If you link to a story showing the US House or Senate voting to cover for Israel (or, heck, voting to sanction Israel), that would, in fact, be US Politics.

                And you would find a different excuse to remove it for the glory of genocide.

                • jordanlund@lemmy.world
                  13·
                  20 hours ago

                  Nope, in fact of the stories Squirrel posted to politics, the ONE story involving Democrats introducing a bill to force an explanation for the murder of a Palestinian family was allowed to stand because, shock of shocks, it was ACTUALLY US Politics!

                  Still up, feel free to read it!

              • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyzOP
                252·
                3 days ago

                Not only is the division you are attempting to construct here utterly artificial, it is an artifice that obscures one of the most brutal human rights atrocities in my lifetime.

                Shame on you, shame on you for toying with this conversation like it is simply an abstracted conversation about definitions. You know it isn’t, don’t treat me like I am stupid enough to believe you think it is.

                There is a Genocide going on right now, as we speak, and you are participating gleefully in silencing conversation about it. Own it coward.

                • jordanlund@lemmy.world
                  327·
                  3 days ago

                  There is a genocide going on right now, being committed by Israelis, not Americans.

                  If you want to see the !politics@lemmy.world appropriate war crimes, look to the bombing of the girls school in Iran. US Policy, US personnel. That’s 100% allowed in Politics.

                  If you are incapable of telling the difference between bad actions committed by Israel vs the US, there’s no point in a temp ban, I can just permaban you now.

                  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyzOP
                    162·
                    3 days ago

                    There is a genocide going on right now, being committed by Israelis, not Americans.

                    Again you expose the desperate need to remove you as a moderator especially over the Politics community because of your shocking ignorance (conscious or subconscious) about this political topic. It is genuinely alarming to me how confidently you are wrong.

                    “We strongly condemn the American mercenaries accused of—and in one case, reportedly caught on camera—opening fire on starving Palestinians seeking food aid in Gaza. Like their counterparts in the Israeli military, these mercenaries are complicit in genocide, and the Justice Department should prosecute them as such.

                    “We call on the Trump administration to immediately end our nation’s involvement in so-called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, and we call on the administration to ban American contractors from participating in this fraudulent, genocidal project.”

                    https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-condemns-american-mercernaries-caught-on-camera-celebrating-attacks-on-starving-palestinians-in-gaza/

                    At the end of May, the GHF opened two stations in the rubble of Rafah, in the extreme south, and one more in Israel’s militarized Netzarim Corridor across the center of the Strip — equivalent to promising to feed Houston with three grocery stores. This scheme forces the population to move southward.

                    American armed guards place limited quantities of forty-pound boxes of food on the ground inside wire fences. Crowds are herded in and out, so they have to compete for their families’ survival. This has the effect of particularly starving elderly, sick, wounded, and disabled people, single mothers, and orphans.

                    https://www.leftvoice.org/u-s-mercenaries-are-helping-the-idf-murder-starving-people-in-gaza/

                    An American private security company is seeking to hire dozens of U.S. special forces veterans to staff and run a key checkpoint in Gaza, aiming to arm the group to monitor and search Palestinians there, new reporting finds.

                    Reportedly as part of the ceasefire deal in Gaza, three private companies have been chosen to screen Palestinians traveling from southern to northern Gaza: North Carolina-based UG Solutions, Wyoming-based Safe Reach Solutions, and an Egyptian company.

                    https://truthout.org/articles/private-us-company-is-reportedly-hiring-us-veterans-to-run-gaza-checkpoint/

          • Maeve@kbin.earth
            182·
            3 days ago

            Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is NOT US Politics. Israel is not the United States.

            Bullshit.

      • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
        13·
        3 days ago

        Israel / Gaza

        That would make some sense if USA and majority of congress people weren’t either supporting Israel in their genocide or just in supplying weapons and funds

      • Maeve@kbin.earth
        212·
        3 days ago

        Hi Jordan. Nice to see your imminent death experience prompted you to reflect on some of your opinions and actions.

          • Count042@lemmy.mlEnglish
            131·
            2 days ago

            Nah, just when a horrible human being uses a transparently stupid and incorrect justification to promote his own bias in obvious bad faith.

            We have the president we do now BECAUSE of the Gaza genocide. It is explicitly US News / Politics.

            You’re a bad person.

            • jordanlund@lemmy.world
              116·
              2 days ago

              Again, the Gaza genocide is NOT US Politics.

              The US is not dropping bombs in Gaza and Lebanon. Israel is. That’s the difference.

              Feel free to blame Israel all you want, in a fair and just world we already would have arrested Netanyahu and held tribunals.

              But the blood is on Israeli hands.

              • Maeve@kbin.earth
                5·
                1 day ago

                Heyyy, if someone hires a hitman, provides the weapon and ammo and gives them money, guess who is guilty

              • Count042@lemmy.mlEnglish
                121·
                2 days ago

                That’s a lot of words to explicitly not address what I wrote at all.

                Deflection is not a healthy response.

                • jordanlund@lemmy.world
                  214·
                  2 days ago

                  I’m not going to address your attempt at sealioning because it’s not merited. You’re attempting to distract from the issue at hand which is:

                  OP posted up multiple articles unrelated to US Politics, had them removed, and chooses to whine about it even when told the proper location for said articles.

                  !world@lemmy.world and !politics@lemmy.world are separate entities for a reason.

                  Politics is for the discussion of US politics, World is for everything not involving internal US News.

                  Want a story about Israel’s war crimes in Gaza and Lebanon? That’s what World is for.

                  Want a story about US politicians being dicks? Or heroes? Or not much of anything? That’s Politics.

                  So when an article gets posted referencing Israel and Gaza and the US is not mentioned once. Not once. It’s going to get removed and re-directed from Politics.

                  Similarly, an article gets posted that mentions the US but not politics, that’s also going to get removed and re-directed.

                  It’s literally the mast head on the community:

                  • Count042@lemmy.mlEnglish
                    121·
                    2 days ago

                    It’s not sea looking. It’s a direct point showing how your sophistry of distinguishing between internal US politics and world politics is wrong.

                    Pointing out how your main argument is wrong is sea-lioning only if you believe people pointing out that you are incorrect is sea-lioning.

                    It isn’t.

            • jordanlund@lemmy.world
              322·
              3 days ago

              Once it’s set up, it can’t be changed and I didn’t set it up.

              I agree though, should be US Politics and World Politics, US News and World News.

              That way the folks who don’t care about the US Death Spiral don’t have it inflicted on them.

              I TRY to keep that stuff out of !world@lemmy.world but then we go do stupid stuff like Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, Greenland, Canada. (sigh)