Jordan Lund is NOT a good human being.

Right, the Gaza Genocide isn’t US Politics… Those aren’t US made bombs being dropped with US politicians cheering them on and US diplomatic support and denial allowing the Genocide to continue. Nothing could be more salient to US politics than the ways in which the Palestinian Genocide drove us to war.

What a joke.

I feel that this situation unfortunately requires escalation and I will be directly contacting Lemmy World mods, I will update with their response.

For the record the first article about corporate complicity in the Palestinian Genocide includes references to many major US corporations, thus making it drirectly relevant to US politics at an immediate level.

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42581206

https://www.alai.info/en/corporate-participation-and-complicity-in-the-genocide-against-the-palestinian/

The second article about US media’s complicity in coverage over the Palestinian Genocide… do I need to actually explain how that is related to US politics? Of course it is?

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579919

https://dawnmena.org/destroying-al-shifa-hospital-robin-andersens-the-complicity-lens-us-media-coverage-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza/

The third article is relevant because the US and Israel have been intimately interwoven in their escalation of Genocide and breaking of international norms, if a Genocide begins in Lebanon it will be a DIRECT continuation of US politics applied first in Israel and next in Lebanon. I mean what the hell we are fighting a war RIGHT NOW and this is the biggest escalation possible IN THAT WAR. How is that NOT related to US politics???

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579757

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon

The fourth article about there being no ceasefire in Gaza, I don’t even know how to go about this one, om, it is politics involving primarily the US here? The US is the single most relevant political actor capable of changing this situation? How is this not US politics? Where can you cleanly draw a line here?

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630002

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza

The US is directly and intimately complicit in the Palestinian Genocide, you cannot in good conscience nor with logical consistency separate US politics cleanly from this issue, if you wanted that to be possible you should have spoken up louder against the Genocide before, now it is too late to fumble with broken stilted arguments like this. The Palestinian Genocide is US Politics, period, end of story.

Can we finally stop pretending that what we have been witnessing in Gaza over the past 22 months is a “war,” a “conflict,” or even a “humanitarian crisis”? Many of the world’s leading human rights and humanitarian groups – including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders – agreed months ago that what is being livestreamed to our phones on a daily basis is indeed a genocide.

…

Trump’s Republican allies in the House and Senate are even more gung-ho. Forget complicity; Congress is filled with GOP cheerleaders for genocide, from Senators Tom “bounce the rubble in Gaza” Cotton to Lindsey “level the place” Graham. The newest member of the House, Randy Fine, a Republican representative of Florida, has called for the nuking of Gaza and said just days ago that Palestinians in Gaza should “starve away” until the Israeli hostages are all released. (A reminder that incitement to genocide is also a crime under Article III of the Genocide convention.)

But we cannot let Democrats off the hook either. The first 16 months of this mass slaughter unfolded on a Democratic president’s watch. From the get-go, Joe Biden gave Netanyahu and his cabinet of génocidaires everything they needed – 2,000-lb bombs to drop on refugee camps filled with Palestinian children? Check. UN security council vetoes to prevent the passage of resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire? Check. The burial of internal US government reports warning of war crimes and famine in Gaza? Check.

It wasn’t just Biden. The vast majority of Democrats in Congress spent much of 2024 casting vote after vote to keep arming, funding and whitewashing the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Even now, in the summer of 2025, seven high-profile Democratic senators were happy to take a smiling photo with Netanyahu, including the Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, who claims talk of genocide is antisemitic and says his job “is to keep the left pro-Israel”.

  • Mehdi Hasan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/02/the-us-complicit-genocide-israel-gaza

  • unmagical@lemmy.ml
    241·
    3 days ago
    • /politics has several explicitly defined rules. Which one states only US politics are accepted?
    • Why would a com called /politics not allow discussions about politics?
    • If the goal is to restrict posts to us politics, why aren’t you using a com like /us_politics?
    • If the goal is to restrict posts to US politics, why don’t the impacts of US foreign policy or reports on domestic coverage of US aided foreign wars not count as pertaining to the US?
    • US taxes are paying for Israeli bombs used to genocide Palestinians. How is that not related to US politics?
    • jordanlund@lemmy.world
      328·
      3 days ago

      It’s literally the first line on the sidebar:

      • If the goal is to restrict posts to us politics, why aren’t you using a com like /us_politics?

      Good question, the community was set up before I was brought on board, I can’t say why they set it up that way, simply that it is.

      • If the goal is to restrict posts to US politics, why don’t the impacts of US foreign policy or reports on domestic coverage of US aided foreign wars not count as pertaining to the US?

      Unless the news article specifically points to US policy or political action, it doesn’t belong in Politics. This isn’t six degrees of separation.

      World exists for non-us World news.

      • US taxes are paying for Israeli bombs used to genocide Palestinians. How is that not related to US politics?

      Because no US politician or policy authorizes the genocide. That’s an Israeli war crime. The US provided funding for legitimate defense, not genocide.

      You can see what they THINK they were funding through sites like this:

      https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel

      Now, you and I both know Israel isn’t ACTUALLY using the funding for that, but that’s on Israel.

      As I said in another post, the funding was done in good faith, Israel is using it in bad faith.

      • unmagical@lemmy.ml
        12·
        2 days ago

        It’s literally the first line on the sidebar:

        And the second line is the start of the rules. If you’re gonna treat it as a rule you’re banning people over maybe you should make it a rule–cause right now a plain reading indicates it’s not.

        The community was set up before I was brought on board

        And you’re there now, presumably with some modicum of influence (at least enough to suggest that the stupid naming scheme is stupid).

        It’s not 6 degrees of separation

        I agree. It’s more like 1 degree of separation:

        1. US gives bombs to Israel after genocide started

        All the other bullshit about “good faith” (something you’ve adequately demonstrated in this thread you lack all understanding of)

        A little more than a year after the genocide started the US was still supplying arms. If it’s not US foreign policy to fund this genocide why is the US continuing to fund this genocide? If it’s not US foreign policy why does the US back Israel in the genocide case at the ICJ? If it’s not US foreign policy why did the US vote against the UN’s Gaza ceasefire resolution?

        It seems that the people who are responsible for carrying out the US’s foreign policy initiatives as pertinent to the Gaza genocide keep facilitating the genocide, almost like the US is culpable in executing the genocide and that the US backed genocide actually has something to do with the US.

        I recognize that you seem to get off in wielding power to the extent that your lust necessarily prevents you from having a grasp on causality were it to change your mind, but your artiface does not actually change reality. You are wrong. The US is involved in the genocide of the Gazan people and therefore the genocide of the Gazan people is relevant to US politics.

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        • jordanlund@lemmy.world
          28·
          1 day ago

          It doesn’t need to be a rule, read the message placed in removed posts:

          “And true to their purpose”

          The purpose of !politics@lemmy.world is explicitly stated - US Politics.

          If it’s not the US, or it’s not politics, it will be removed and re-directed to where it IS appropriate, in this case !world@lemmy.world

          Squirrel chose to double down rather than accept moderation and continued to make off topic posts. Making off topic posts repeatedly, when warned, got them the temp ban (2 days left).

          We’ll see if they can behave when the ban expires, I am not hopeful in that regard, but they DID make one post actually relevant to US Politics which was allowed to stand.

          https://sopuli.xyz/post/42580966

          “US Democratic lawmakers have introduced a bill…”

          That’s the very definition of US politics and is welcome.

          Israel attacking Lebanon goes in !world@lemmy.world

          US Media falling down on the job goes in !world@lemmy.world or !news@lemmy.world

          Corporations being evil goes in !world@lemmy.world or !news@lemmy.world

          Now, the REAL question…

          Instead of abiding by the rules of the community and posting the stories where they would be relevant, why did Squirrel choose to fight a battle they cannot win? 🤔

          They STILL haven’t re-posted them. I guess they are more concerned with Lemmy drama.

      • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
        12·
        2 days ago

        Because no US politician or policy authorizes the genocide. That’s an Israeli war crime. The US provided funding for legitimate defense, not genocide.

        Weird, considering a majority of the are fully okay in supporting it. Hell even Kamala fully embraced it to not hurt Biden

        • jordanlund@lemmy.world
          116·
          2 days ago

          They did not support genocide. They support Israel as a nation and there is a difference.

          Too many people honestly believe Netanyahu is capable of acting in good faith, you and I both know he’s not, but that’s not going to stop those who support Israel.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            22 hours ago

            They did not support genocide. They support Israel as a nation and there is a difference.

            This bullshit is support for genocide.

            • jordanlund@lemmy.world
              13·
              17 hours ago

              No, it is not. The majority of the US who support Israel do it for bullshit faith based reasons, not bullshit genocidal reasons.

              I agree, the base reasoning is still bullshit, but it’s not based on genocide.

            • jordanlund@lemmy.world
              29·
              2 days ago

              Campaigning for an end to violence and a two state solution is not supporting genocide. Try again.

              • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
                10·
                2 days ago

                Supplying and assisting the country committing a genocide is supporting a genocide. Especially when breaking laws to continue doing it.

                Try again.

                Why, it’s not like you are actually going to change your mind or accept facts. This and the previous threads make that absolutely clear

                • jordanlund@lemmy.world
                  111·
                  2 days ago

                  You are correct, I’m not changing my mind because I am correct. Supplying Israel is not the same thing as supporting genocide. The improper use of our support is the fault of ISRAEL. Not the United States.

                  If I give someone $100 for groceries, and they blow it on booze, I’m not supporting their alcoholism. That’s on them for mis-spending my honestly given support.

                  The problem is US politicians are stuck thinking “Hey, maybe THIS time it will be different! Give them a little more!” and it never is.

                  But that doesn’t change the fact that the support is NOT being given with the purpose of continuing the genocide.

                  • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
                    9·
                    2 days ago

                    You are correct, I’m not changing my mind because I am correct

                    Which is a wild stance when even your analogy isn’t a correct equivalence.

                    The usa is literally giving them the weapon and cover in UN to keep committing the genocide.

                    The problem is US politicians are stuck thinking “Hey, maybe THIS time it will be different! Give them a little more!” and it never is.

                    Hey you finally see how it relates to usa politics!

                    But that doesn’t change the fact that the support is NOT being given with the purpose of continuing the genocide

                    https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/why-wont-u.s.-politicians-say-genocide

            • jordanlund@lemmy.world
              113·
              2 days ago

              It’s super hard, you actually have to pay attention to what people say and remember it for later reference.

              https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3273&context=parameters

              "As a sovereign state and UN member, Israel has the right to use military force to defend itself from an armed attack. Article 51 of the UN Charter makes this right abundantly clear, and self-defense is perhaps the least contested legal basis for a state resorting to military force. Article 51 reads:

              “Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.”5

              So when Biden, or Harris, or Schumer or anyone else said they needed funding for Israel’s defense, that is what they were talking about.

              The problem, as you and I both know, is that Israel has gone beyond defense, but nobody is willing to rein them in.

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                5·
                22 hours ago

                It’s super hard, you actually have to pay attention to what people say and remember it for later reference.

                When pro-genocide centrists know they’re wrong, they get condescending.

                They’re never not condescending.

              • mrdown@lemmy.world
                11·
                2 days ago

                It is palestinians, lebanese and iranians who has the right to resist a country who threatening the whole region . Those are the countries who should be funded not the terrorist state of Israel. The genocide convention say that any country who signed it should do everything to stop it. Biden and Trump is giving them bellion to commit it. You are just an idiot. Israel right to self defense ended after the day of october 7 since Hamas offered the rrturn of the hostage from the beginning in exchange of the Palestinians hostages

                International law (specifically UN General Assembly Resolution 3070) affirms the right of peoples under colonial and foreign domination to struggle for self-determination "by all available means, including armed struggle

                • jordanlund@lemmy.world
                  111·
                  2 days ago

                  I don’t personally disagree, I’m explaining to you the rationale of the people repeatedly voting to fund the defense of Israel.

                  The reason they do so is that the United States was fundamental in the creation and recognition of the state of Israel, and as a result, doesn’t feel responsible for the defense of those other states.

                  • mrdown@lemmy.world
                    9·
                    2 days ago

                    There is no rational in voting for a settler colonial power who’s goal is to exterminate sll people thst are not jews from the land they claims god gave to them. How about helping sudan for example over Israel?

      • Maeve@kbin.earth
        211·
        3 days ago

        No it’s on the USA being lying liars. And calling it out should very well be US Politics, and allowed. Unless you know, this is a psyop server.