The video I linked for reference
I guess I was “sympathizing with invaders” because I said “Such an absolute waste of life, just for the vanity of one man.”
Just patently ridiculous moderation…
I watched the video and it’s pretty objective, just being an analysis of the situation. It focuses on the numbers and strategies. No sympathy shown.
I can see the moderator taking your statement about wasting lives as “sympathetic” because their view is probably along the lines of “all Russian soldiers are guilty and must be killed without mercy.”
This sort of dehumanization is not acceptable as more and more of the Russian army is filled with people being taken advantage of or being sent at gunpoint.
I’m not saying they’re all innocent bystanders. There’s still plenty who want to be there, for some reason or another, but, ultimately, every Russian soldier is a tool of the elites and they, no matter their citizenship, are the real enemy.
You can’t really expect Ukrainians to put their emotions aside when they’re being bombed on a regular basis, with routine reports of family members or friends dying to the attacks. As Zelenskyy has reasonably said, there might be a time in the future when Russians are no longer viewed the way they are, but now is not that time.
Wow, very moving. You believe this about Palestinians in their resistance against genocide at the hands of Israelis, correct?
My comment is mainly about the ways grief and loss affect people’s thinking rather than how they resist, and to that extent, it doesn’t matter if it’s Ukrainians, Palestinians or any other people.
Not what I asked but okay. Also, your comment isn’t really about grief and loss, is it? You’re pretending your comment is about how the dehumanization is justified by Ukrainians, but you are dehumanizing Russians, and defending it. I saw your other comment, which is why I asked.
People deep enough in propoganda to be speaking about Ukrainians this way don’t ever have the same compassion towards the Arab victims of an ongoing genocide, so I’m not very convinced.
Exactly. This “muh dehumanizing” argument is the default for anyone trying to start a flame war based on an actual war. IIRC the mods posted a zero tolerance explanation post due to the constant attempts to use bleeding hearts to mock those truly suffering in all this.
Honestly I think DB0 is being disingenuous here. The modlog shows several reinstatements and corrections for past enforcements. I doubt they even attempted to explain or apologize and went straight for trying to discredit the community in here. They are less concerned with the feelings of true victims and more their butthurt ones and so: YDI.
Honestly I think DB0 is being disingenuous here.
For showing empathy of wasted lives? Jesus christ.
Let’s see how ‘empathetic’ you are when bombs destroy your home and kill your friends and family. It isn’t even ‘showing empathy’. It’s feigning moral superiority while showing no empathy for the actual victims.
As we all know, db0 infamously hates Ukraine. Oh wait, .ml hates db0 for supporting Ukraine and wanting peace talks.
I’m sorry you want more death.
(he said while sipping his latte in his warm office at his powered computer completely unafraid of airplane noises outside).
Nobody ‘wants’ more death. Some of us, however, are smart enough to understand that it is the price required to repel evil.
Of course it’s the cost to repeal evil, you don’t stop Nazis with nice words. It’s a shame that Ukraine has to fight for its right to exist. The cost of defense should ideally have less of Ukraian lives than Russian. Especially since Russia started the mess they can’t win.
he said while sipping his latte in his warm office at his powered computer completely unafraid of airplane noises outside
I live next to an air force base, I hear them all the time. They are loud as shit and wake me every day. Let’s not pretend you’re also on the front lines either, no one on Lemmy is.
Where Russian casualties are routinely celebrated, failing to cheer hard enough makes you stand out, I guess.
They even ask for donations for nazi orgs like “The Hospitallers”. Just go on their webpage, right on the frontpage there is even a pic of them posing infront of the banderite Blood and Soil flag with one guy sieg heiling. It’s a nazi comm that has been asking for donations for nazis like Sternenko as well repeatedly. Complete cesspool.
edit: also one of their mods shares their opinions which is just ??? https://lemmy.ml/post/44625171/24650997 The ukrainian nazis are on the decline but they’re actually better at fighting than the actual army but thats actually good thing because otherwise there would be even more nazis and you’re a fascist if you support the other side.
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talking about Ukraine on lemmy is going to be kicking one nest of hornets or another. i got banned from !ukraine@sopuli.xyz because i said the only way to kill fascism is through books (education) or through bullets (self defense) and they took me to mean calling for indescriminate killing of russian civilians which i, to this day, have no idea how they came to that conclusion. i was even trying to tell someone else to tone down their pro-violence against civilians stance at the time and all his comments got to stay up, but all mine got purged.
i’ve since been unbanned, but it has still left a really bad taste in my mouth. at this point i kind of only talk about Ukrainian news with one lemming and the Ukrainian neighbors i have here.
but now that i’ve made a comment about Ukraine on lemmy, let me make it abundantly clear what my stance is: the Ukrainian people live atop what the rest of the world sees as a pit of resources of burn. the athropological, archaelogical, and genetic records indicate that Ukrainians have been indigenous to their land for 30,000 years now. their oppressors are extraction companies perpetuating what us Appalachians call The War on the Land. most people call it Class War. my hope for the Ukrainian people is the same as my hope for my own people: deliverance from the perpetual war against the land enacted by hierarchical society.
i see in ruzzians the same uninformed and ignorant stances and behaviors that i see in those who enact my opression. they are themselves opressed by the same war on the land we are, they are simply not given access to the information needed to understand this. thus, in an active war, the Ukrainian people are forced to set aside the book and focus on the bullet. i hope that one day all of us who suffer under these conditions can stand shoulder to shoulder, arm in arm, hand in hand, and sing in celebration of the end of the age of vampires
Good comment. I usually stay quiet simply because of your first paragraph. Its a nuanced concept, and the internet does not understand nuance. You say one thing then you’re not supportive enough. If you say something else it means you’re a sympathizer. Text and internet just isn’t the way to convey it.
On the one hand, the post is consistent with the other posts seen in the community, like the daily summaries (e.g. here) or this post saying “Russian losses surge”. However, your comment was probably unnecessary and indeed contrary to the first rule (“🇺🇦 Sympathy for enemy combatants is prohibited.”). There are many in Russia who sign contracts as opposed to being conscripted, and even if they get conscripted, they can refuse to serve and do time in prison, which is still the lesser evil than killing others for absolutely no reason. Moreover, if it were merely Putin’s war, it wouldn’t fully explain the wide support for the invasion or the mass atrocities and war crimes committed by the so-called regular soldiers. We could go into why people commit crime and how it relates to poverty and other systemic issues stemming from hierarchies of power, but the Ukraine community is not the right place for that, as the Russian problems are a remote concern compared to those of the Ukrainian people attacked by Russia.
Edit: Fixed a typo.
Sorry but saying that Russians casualties are a waste of life is not sympathy. It’s humanity. This dehumanization people support is not healthy.
Edit : not to mention they could have asked me to edit instead of removing the whole post
next they’ll call you a tankie
They post on MoG, so I’m amazed they didn’t instantly start saying how db0 was being tankie by responding to them kindly.
i think not enough people understand there’s a difference between empathy and sympathy. i can look at the russian soldiers and have empathy for that they are poorly educated, exist in a constant media environment that tells them that they need to be scared of all Ukrainians, and that often they are poor and desperate and think they are doing what they need just to survive.
this does not mean i sympathize with them. it just means i’m trying to take the effort to understand how a fellow human could have turned out this wrong. i largely do so to make sure i don’t let the children around me become the next generation of uninformed, easily maniputed, violent masses it requires to carry out atrocity.
in case it isn’t clear to anyone reading this comment,
- empathy: the ability to analyze and understand how someone came to be
- sympathy: the act of adopting or co-signing someone elses thoughts, positions, or actions
Very well stated.
Let’s reframe this entire argument from another perspective so you can maybe be a little objective:
Imagine if I posted an article/blog arguing something along the lines of ‘with the land war in Iran the Israeli military losses have spiked 20%.’ and concluded with “Such an absolute waste of life, just for the vanity of two men.", in r/Palestine. How much help do you think the “I’m just being careful not to dehumanize them” narrative would be? Do you think their mods would simply ask me to edit the comment?
Yes that would be the appropriate response from a mod then as well
Does Lemmy even allow community mods to remove a post, ask a question, then restore it, like on reddit? If so, yeah, I’d suggest they try that at times, but I’d view them not doing that in this scenario as an imperfection rather than a form of power abuse.
I mean, it’s not exactly a critical statement, yanno? Putting a distinguished comment and waiting a few hours before removing is also an option
I think that, and even the expectation for them to do more than to remove (and let you repost with corrections), rests on the notion of your comment not being in violation of the rules, which is obviously in dispute here.
Even with rule violations, there’s gradients. One can ask one to fix a mild rule violation in a nicer manner. I would know, I do it all the time.
