They’re telling greenlit countries go around through Iranian waters, so they can mine the main shipping channel whenever they want without warning and still let friendly traffic through up against their costline where it’s easier to police.
I think they already did. Last week (or the week before? time flies) there were a bunch of speedboats deployed into the strait. But the thing about mines is you know where you’ve deployed them, so you know where not to go and you can tell others. They would have mined the far end of the strait to force ships to stick close to the iranian shore, where they can be hit at will.
A lot of poorer countries are going to suffer tremendously from this. Not just because of the oil, but because of other products like fertilizer. This is leading us into to a massive worldwide humanitarian disaster.
So far there isn’t much evidence of that but I guess we’ll see. I don’t want people to starve, so I’ll admit it was wrong if this does end up causing a famine or something.
But I mean food prices were life double a few years ago so it’s not that bad currently.
It takes a bit of time for fertilizer to return into food. Over a third of global fertilizer, and half the sulfur used to manufacture fertilizer pass through the straight. Fertilizer prices have already spiked, and we are entering planting season. This is on top of what was lining up to be a horrible year for crops because of climate change and a transition from La Niña to El Niño. It’s going to be bad.
Well, it’s kind of damned if you do damned if you don’t. As you point out, climate change is already fucking us over with respect to food production and that’s only going to get exponentially worse. The less oil we use now the more time we have to develop and implement alternatives. Even if there is some short-term suffering it’s probably net beneficial to the world’s poor in the long run.
Of course we could easily make this transition without hurting the poor if we so chose but the powers that be have no interest in this.
Well, it’s kind of damned if you do damned if you don’t.
Nope, I live in a wealthy first world country with the capacity to not be damned either way. I will almost certainly be inconvenienced, but realistically I’ll be fine.
Lots of people will be “damned” though, and there are far better solutions to climate change than letting them starve because of Zionist warmongers.
People love the international poor suffering. Well, realistically, their despair in preventing rapid climate change is larger. They don’t actually care for the south, consistently.
Supply chain is the particular area of this I’d pushback pretty hard on and hope it’s diesel use dies off and we have a swift conversion to electrification. You can pretty much run a full supply chain electrified now outside of the manufacturing sector (which is low oil use itself can mostly be supplied internally for most). It just takes the proper upfront investment, which is also the better longterm investment but capitalism only cares about short term gains. Perhaps this will be the straw that breaks the camels back.
Fertilizer is the one that’s pretty tough to get around, and there’s going to be a humanitarian crisis that we should be thinking about.
I don’t really see how you can replace the ships and semitrucks that run on diesel unfortunately.
You can’t really have an electric rail that leads to every logistical hub, and electric semitrucks were a massive failure because they can’t haul as much, for as long of a distance, and they cost way more to operate.
The only solution is to subsidize such stuff forever.
Dream bigger! Amazon already has last mile distribution hubs set up every major city. It’s absolutely feasible to run electric rail to major last mile distribution hubs.
We used to build things very fast in the 1900s in the US. Nowadays not so much.
On the semi trucks we would need a different solution, either push new battery tech pretty hard or swap to hydrogen. Harder for sure.
Some ships are already starting to move back to wind sail systems that can increase efficiency by 30%. It’s actually really effective.
I think we are phenomenal engineers here on earth, we just happen to put all that energy into bombs, targeting systems, etc. We can achieve and do a lot, we’re just focused on the wrong thing.
They have two quote on quote nuclear bombs. One it mining the straight and the other is attacking oil fields and refineries.
To date those attacks were limited to the accompanying military installations and trivially repaired. If struck the oil price will actually start rising.
I thought they were going to mine it. Did they change their minds?
They’re telling greenlit countries go around through Iranian waters, so they can mine the main shipping channel whenever they want without warning and still let friendly traffic through up against their costline where it’s easier to police.
I think they already did. Last week (or the week before? time flies) there were a bunch of speedboats deployed into the strait. But the thing about mines is you know where you’ve deployed them, so you know where not to go and you can tell others. They would have mined the far end of the strait to force ships to stick close to the iranian shore, where they can be hit at will.
Only US outlets were reporting that, yet ships were still passing
I doubt they will unless the US invades, so we’ll see
Too bad. I hope the straight stays closed for good.
Oil guzzlers mald lol
A lot of poorer countries are going to suffer tremendously from this. Not just because of the oil, but because of other products like fertilizer. This is leading us into to a massive worldwide humanitarian disaster.
So far there isn’t much evidence of that but I guess we’ll see. I don’t want people to starve, so I’ll admit it was wrong if this does end up causing a famine or something.
But I mean food prices were life double a few years ago so it’s not that bad currently.
It takes a bit of time for fertilizer to return into food. Over a third of global fertilizer, and half the sulfur used to manufacture fertilizer pass through the straight. Fertilizer prices have already spiked, and we are entering planting season. This is on top of what was lining up to be a horrible year for crops because of climate change and a transition from La Niña to El Niño. It’s going to be bad.
Well, it’s kind of damned if you do damned if you don’t. As you point out, climate change is already fucking us over with respect to food production and that’s only going to get exponentially worse. The less oil we use now the more time we have to develop and implement alternatives. Even if there is some short-term suffering it’s probably net beneficial to the world’s poor in the long run.
Of course we could easily make this transition without hurting the poor if we so chose but the powers that be have no interest in this.
Nope, I live in a wealthy first world country with the capacity to not be damned either way. I will almost certainly be inconvenienced, but realistically I’ll be fine.
Lots of people will be “damned” though, and there are far better solutions to climate change than letting them starve because of Zionist warmongers.
People love the international poor suffering. Well, realistically, their despair in preventing rapid climate change is larger. They don’t actually care for the south, consistently.
The poor will suffer way worse if we don’t stop using fossil fuels. This is short term thinking.
Ideally we would transition in a sane, controlled way that doesn’t cause economic chaos. But since we haven’t done that, it just leaves the hard way.
You realize most of what you need in your daily life needs diesel almost everywhere in the chain of logistics, right?
No? Ah makes sense then.
Supply chain is the particular area of this I’d pushback pretty hard on and hope it’s diesel use dies off and we have a swift conversion to electrification. You can pretty much run a full supply chain electrified now outside of the manufacturing sector (which is low oil use itself can mostly be supplied internally for most). It just takes the proper upfront investment, which is also the better longterm investment but capitalism only cares about short term gains. Perhaps this will be the straw that breaks the camels back.
Fertilizer is the one that’s pretty tough to get around, and there’s going to be a humanitarian crisis that we should be thinking about.
I don’t really see how you can replace the ships and semitrucks that run on diesel unfortunately.
You can’t really have an electric rail that leads to every logistical hub, and electric semitrucks were a massive failure because they can’t haul as much, for as long of a distance, and they cost way more to operate.
The only solution is to subsidize such stuff forever.
Dream bigger! Amazon already has last mile distribution hubs set up every major city. It’s absolutely feasible to run electric rail to major last mile distribution hubs.
We used to build things very fast in the 1900s in the US. Nowadays not so much.
On the semi trucks we would need a different solution, either push new battery tech pretty hard or swap to hydrogen. Harder for sure.
Some ships are already starting to move back to wind sail systems that can increase efficiency by 30%. It’s actually really effective.
I think we are phenomenal engineers here on earth, we just happen to put all that energy into bombs, targeting systems, etc. We can achieve and do a lot, we’re just focused on the wrong thing.
No.
They have two quote on quote nuclear bombs. One it mining the straight and the other is attacking oil fields and refineries.
To date those attacks were limited to the accompanying military installations and trivially repaired. If struck the oil price will actually start rising.