• njm1314@lemmy.world
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      Yeah buddy I wasn’t saying not actively working against it was helping it. I meant literally helping it. That Administration was actively arming the Israelis and aiding in the genocide. Super weird that you didn’t know that.

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        Ok then tell me this, did Bibi like Biden? Did he want Biden to win? Did he think Biden let him do all he wanted? What did Biden say about Bibi in return?

        Then you can look at things like Republicans voting to force continued sales of weapons

        https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/us/politics/house-bill-reverse-israel-arms-pause.html

        Meanwhile; https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5429072-sanders-resolution-fails-israel-military/

        Tell me what Biden could’ve done that wouldn’t amount to starting a war?

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          Its illegal to send weapons or money to a country that is committing genocide. Biden could have simply said he cannot legally support Israel in any way and then just not. Instead Biden chose to lie for Israel aboiut 40 beheaded babies and provide unlimited diplomatic support, going so far as to bomb Yemen for resisting.

          Democratic leadership knew this would decrease turnout, they prioritized unlimited support for Israel over winning the election.

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            Its illegal to send weapons or money to a country that is committing genocide.

            Cool. What’s the source, please?

            Also, does it work when we’re the one doing it? And is it strictly genocide or is it general war criming.

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              Here’s a list of domestic laws that were violated, to say nothing of international law:

              The Foreign Assistance Act, which forbids the provision of assistance to a government which “engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.”

              Arms Export Control Act, which says countries that receive U.S. military aid can only use weapons for legitimate self-defense and internal security. Israel’s genocidal campaign in Gaza goes way beyond self-defense and internal security.

              The U.S. War Crimes Act, which forbids grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions, including wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, and unlawful deportation or transfer, perpetrated by the Israeli Occupying Forces.

              The Leahy Law, which prohibits the U.S. Government from using funds for assistance to units of foreign security forces where there is credible information implicating that unit in the commission of gross violations of human rights.

              The Genocide Convention Implementation Act, which was enacted to implement U.S. obligations under the Genocide Convention, provides for criminal penalties for individuals who commit or incite others to commit genocide

              https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/us-weapons-to-israel

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            Ok then if you’re right why was Netanyahu mad at Biden? Why did he want Trump to win? Because there’s no such thing as unlimited support and then wanting to remove the person you’re getting unlimited support from

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              Do you understand that a lot of politics is theater? You have to watch what people actually do, not what they pretend.

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                  I think because your definition of “what people actually did” and mine differs a lot. Either that or we are talking past each other.

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                    Yeah, your crowd decided to help Republicans guarantee more people got killed and tortured.

                    But you’re pretending you have no responsibility for the consequences of your actions because you’re such an ideologically pure idealist

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                This is a russian/eastern perspective. Theater has no effect on real life politics does. They are NOT the same. If you act like they are you are part of the problem.

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                  This is a russian/eastern perspective

                  Pro-genocide centrists (there is no other kind) say this about everyone who disagrees with them on their only policy.

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                    You can not be anti genocide and actively assist Republicans in making the genocide worse.

                    If you genuinely oppose genocide you’re obligated to oppose those who want to make it worse, and yet you’re helping them

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                    No i say this to anyone trying to downplay the severity of political involvement. The fact you dont understand this is exactly why

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                  This is a russian/eastern perspective.

                  No its not. This is the plain western world reality that politicians lie and posture. If you think you can trust what they say then I dont know what to tell you.

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                    Yes they lie but that is not theater. That is a lie. Do you not know the difference? This kind of mindset is exactly what im talking about.

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              Who gives a fuck! You ghouls care more about your fucking parasocial kayfabe character drama than the lives of millions of people

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                You call it kayfabe and call me a ghoul and then you’re choosing to help Republicans hurt billions

                That makes you a monster

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              Because Biden’s base was less pro-genocide, so no matter what Biden himself did, strategically the republicans would always be a safer bet.

              There was no level of support the dems could offer that would have caused Netanyahu to support them over the republicans.

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            It’s certainly telling what he was willing to bypass congress to do after he couldn’t bypass congress for the agenda he ran on.

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          Pretty trivially easy question. Biden could have done a lot of things – vetoed funding and stopped running interference for Israel in the UN. And he could have called it a genocide and illegal on the world stage. Biden refused to call it a genocide. He could have called for an international force to stop the killing. He also flew recon missions for the Israelis with US drones over Gaza didnt he.

          And “starting a war”? with who, Israel? Are you stupid? That war would last 5 minutes. Biden took massive amounts of money from AIPAC his entire career, and called himself a zionist all the time. Your pretending he had no choice and was simply a victim of circumstance is pure lies. He was massively bribed. A corrupt peice of shit genocide supporter. He would absolutely lose his case and be imprisoned if the US had done the right thing and signed onto the ICC. He belongs in an orange jumpsuit, sharing a cell with trump.

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            A war with iran. Because trump won we have now killed dozens/hundreds of iranians. People that would not have died if harris had won. So again what would biden/harris have done that would have amounted to starting a war. Are you stupid…

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              You are happy to accept this as long as no one had a non-genocidal candidate to vote for.

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                No im not. Those iranians wouldnt have died if trump was not in office. Everyone who didnt do all they could to stop his assention is responsible for their deaths. They would not have died if kamela had won. The palestiniams would have died either way so they do not change the equation at all.

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                  The palestiniams would have died either way

                  Good for you. You got all you ever wanted.

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                    The gall to ignore the deaths of Iranian civilians while saying this

                    Just admit you prefer to let more innocent people get hurt as long at you can claim your hands are clean. If you can’t uphold your purity you would rather let people die

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                    No i didnt. I voted for harris to try and stop this bullshit. YOU got what you wanted. Harris lost and now the world must contend with the consequences and even more people will die.

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          Ok then tell me this, did Bibi like Biden?

          Who gives a fuck! You ghouls care more about your fucking parasocial kayfabe character drama than the lives of millions of people

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            Ok so then if you’re the one who cares so much about those millions, why are you actively helping the people who are trying to make their lives worse?