Reason number 5,386 to delete your Reddit account and encourage your friends & loved ones to do the same.
OP’s headline does not match the article linked in any way. I don’t know if the site changed the article or what, but the Grand Jury has not ordered Reddit to turn over any data.
a subpoena issued by federal prosecutors to the management of Reddit, representatives of the site have been ordered to appear before a grand jury in Washington D.C., with an April 14 deadline set in an attempt to compel Reddit to volunteer personal data and the identity of a user who had the temerity to lightly criticize Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) on the platform.
Essentially, they have ordered Reddit to send representatives to be badgered into volunteering the user’s information.
These kinds of posts and titles on Lemmy are a serious issue that I’ve noticed over the last 6 to 7 months.
There appears to be a serious issue with moderation and a lot of Lemmy subs.
I’m not calling for any Reddit styled moderation here. Absolutely not. I’m just saying something needs to happen here to better moderate these subs.
Why not worry about the pedo in the white house instead? Deport him and his entire family to the middle of the atlantic.
The headline is wrong. No decision has been made yet.
I really wonder what is preventing people using reddit from using Lemmy, Lemmy is just really good and I really like it, the only problem would be financial issues with big instances that have to store historical data so they can serve it, using more and more space, si that is why is better for everyone to use small instances instead of big ones ;3
The one thing I miss about Reddit is the number and diversity of groups. You had many more niche topics and many people under them. What I don’t miss is how they were sponsored and dependent on car and oil and gas ads.
Even huge thriving communities on Reddit have zero representation here. The culture is also hyper specific on Lemmy. I find Lemmy to be generally more tolerant of my progressive, feminist, disabled person views but also if I want to talk about them there’s not that many places, but there are what feels like hundreds of options to talk about stuff I have absolutely no interest in like operating systems. I think it’s a diversity issue
Lemmy is relatively dead and horribly split-brained.
Basically, federations should have been a per topic thing, not entire instances.
there goes “their freedom of speech”, hypocrites
I remember when reddit first got popular and the demise of Digg
I feel like we’re watching the demise or reddit now
The place is nothing but bots, they allow loser power tripping mods to ban you willy nilly with basically no appeal process. And now they’re gonna give you up to the govt
I’m sure shareholders are super stoked right now
Everyone is still using it. It sucks since i just want everyone to come on piefed/lemmy. I really have no idea what reddit has to do to make people switch. Its kinda like seeing a toxic relationship.
Based on the number of people still using the cesspit that Twitter turned into, Reddit has to sink a hell of a lot lower to get people to stop using it.
Now? It died in 2023 or whenever the API debacle happened. Even before that it was pretty botty.
Yes it had been pretty shit since maybe 2016 or so honestly. You can go on any thread of an article on any subreddit and the top comments and top replies are like pre manufactured echo chamber propaganda for whoever is astroturfing or modding that community. Don’t get it messed up, Lemmy is guilty of echo chamber attitude as well but on Lemmy it’s at least a mass of people causing an echo chamber not one likely corporate interest pushing a talking point. Definatley feels more “natural” here I suppose. Or more human? Idk if I get rained on with downvotes here I’m pretty confident every individual one had a person behind it, vs u broke with the propaganda machine on reddit then you get downvoted into oblivion or censored/deleted. And if u get banned here it’s usually only one community that you likely don’t want to be in anyways, so benefits both the banned user and the community. I was glad the api debacle happened because it’s the only reason I learned about the fediverse!
Mods on Lemmy are at least as ban happy than those on Reddit. Appeals? They don’t exist at all. At least you can easily make a new account on different instance on Lemmy. Reddit has strong enforcement of also banning all accounts they can link to yours with cookie and IP.
Lemmy admins are likely to comply with local law enforcement as well, if they have to. So far it’s just untested because of irrelevance.
Lemmy is self hosted and most people would for sure handover whatever they could if the feds just asked
I finally left just a couple weeks ago. Seeing and hearing about entire accounts being banned after simple peaceful criticism of political leaders showed me that they use poorly programmed algorithms to issue bans and also confirm them on appeals without any reasonable human elements. It also seemed like some accounts would get perma-banned by simply complaining about this process.
I got banned for suggesting someone put a hole in the Charlie Kirk statue
Does Reddit even know who they are? Sure they could hand over my IP address but even without a VPN my IP says I’m hundreds of miles away from my real location so that wouldn’t help them.
When looking at an IP for an investigation, they don’t use GeoIP. They use “ask the ISP who had this IP at this time, oh, thanks for the full name, address, bank info, phone number”.
Well my ISP won’t hand over that info as it would be a violation of GDPR not that this administration will have thought that one through.
You sure about that? They have a legal obligation to keep this trace, and it sounds like it would easily qualify as a legitimate interest. We’re not talking about some third party logging a visitor’s IP, but an ISP, that have a requirement to keep this information.
The GDPR isn’t making all personal identification data inaccessible, they restrict how they can be stored and accessed. If there’s a legal requirement and/or a legitimate interest, they can be stored, and if the data exists and is requested by law enforcement, it’s likely that higher agreements will hold.
They will certainly hand it over if a there is a warrant.
(I wonder how far you could daisy chain wifi routers and repeaters. At least make them work for it.)
This is an extremely naive take
It will. I can assure you the government have far more resources at their disposal than you do.
A’right, this is disgusting, but it’s really not Reddit’s fault if a Grand Jury requests evidence.
spoiler
___Especially because the Grand Jury hasn’t even requested anything yet, I guess?
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
Today is a good day to use Lemmy.
They can’t fucking WAIT until this ID verification goes through. Literally frothing at the mouth for it.
I don’t get it. Once ID checks are here, do they think people will keep expressing these kinds of opinions publicly? Oh course not, they’re just going to keep going further underground online or find offline ways, do they really think we’ll just keep posting incriminating stuff with our real name attached?
do they think people will keep expressing these kinds of opinions publicly? Oh course not
People are already pushing all kind of extreme and suspicious opinions on multiple websites under their “official” name that can be found on their ID. This won’t change. And the risk isn’t people stopping saying thing at one point; it’s the list of “allowed” topics changing over time, then going back to older content.
The oppression is the goal. They want you to tell 10 people locally, not 10 million worldwide.
Suppression of anything critical of Trump and the other snowflakes is the goal. Oppression is their favorite tool, but they’ll settle for intimidation which still ends up being effective even when our institutions uphold the Constitution.
Yeah but the 10 locals are the ones that might actually end up doing something instead of shouting into the digital void.
Fuck ICE
why don’t you take a marker and a white shirt, write that on that shirt, and actually wear it outside, instead of doing this.
why don’t you go get your diaper changed and take a nap big piss baby.
Why don’t you go criticize someone in real life too.
ohh deflection! nice one, but I already made the shirt! Why don’t you do something with your life in real life?
I’ve managed to do two things
Once again, just in case no one heard, FUCK ICE
nice I like this… a lot
I can bearly say anthing on this platform. must be my home instance. You are so lucky you can cuss. Daddy won’t let me
I’ll say it for you then.
#FUCK ICE ✊
Good god the title is very misleading. The grand jury hearing isn’t until April 14. It’s still chilling that the administration will go to these lengths to apparently silence criticism, but I’m not convinced there is more to this story. Although the reddit user in question is enlisting a civil liberties group to represent him, I’m thinking he/she may not be a terrorist mastermind who is a danger to the American people.
This measured response feels much healthier than my/our kneejerk reactions. Any prosecutor is going to seek information that would help their case, and they expect the Court to simply say No when it isn’t compatible with the law. It sucks that this Trump admin and retributive DOJ have such an anti-American track record that our initial instinct is that every move is another attempt to suppress criticism (which it likely would be if they had any scintilla of competence to go with their thirst for fascism).
Big daddy capo_Corpo government is handing out the span_kings as the beatings will continue until the moral improves. It is about fear! This is not the first time that yan_kkk_eee land has acted this way.
Actual title:
A Secret Grand Jury Is Seeking the Identity of a Reddit User Who Criticized ICE
It’s completely unclear what illegal thing the user is supposed to have done, other than dislike ICE.
So, the rule is very old already, actually: You can’t criticize ICE on Reddit if you’re an American citizen, because of this. And you can’t criticize ICE, Israel, Trump and etc. on Reddit even if you’re are not the USA citizen - because of bans on platform.
People criticize Trump, ICE, Israel on Reddit all day every day. There are many subreddits dedicated to these topics.
I have personally witnessed a lot of bans and repressions because of this. Mainly on popular subreddits. Small ones remain relatively intact, since not much people attend them anyway. What I mean is that you can create a subreddit of like 50 people and discuss there whatever you want. But once you in a big one (100K+) - bans.
