• thatsnomayo [he/him]@lemmy.mlB
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    Ah yes, watermelon emoji, Palestine flag, very nice.

    Now ask them if they support armed resistance against the IDF violating & massacring people. Whether they support Israel’s right to exist, whether they think settlers are civilians like anyone else.

    You’re simply not built for this are you OP? You would have figured it out years ago. If you “support Palestinians” you don’t just cry about them being killed by a system you are complicit in. You at the very least support the political line of Hamas with regards to its ally & benefactor Iran.

    That’s what it means to actually fight back. Not just say shit online.

  • Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I don’t reply here often because when people make posts like this, especially on other people’s behalf I usually get harassed and insulted (this one’s no different, considering the transphobia in the comments). But I do have to clarify because it’s important.

    Rimu has recently been defending the actions of MrKaplan, who has been using his power as a LW admin to promote Zionism, and by defending that they are indirectly apologizing for Zionism. It doesn’t matter if they supported Palestine before or if they still do now. They’re currently apologizing for and defending a Zionist. Which is why they were banned. They are not the first person banned for that either, a lot of LW accounts have been banned for Zionist apologia and many more will likely follow.

    It would be kind of like if someone who’s a trans ally started defending someone who was insulting trans people for getting gender affirming care. It doesn’t matter how much they supported trans people in the past or claim to support them now. They are defending and promoting a transphobe.

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      I gotta say it’s extremely telling how that coinciding with this series of events a handful of brand new accounts popped up just to spew transphobia and nazi shit in addition to the ones just being zionist/defending the LW mods across the various threads.

      wonder what’s up with that makima-think

      anyway the abuse and harassment you get is gross, fuck those assholes

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    But both rimu and Skavau are defending Kaplans actions of defedederating anarchist nexus and mostly likely db0 soon. Hell rimu followed without question.

    Actions always speak louder than words (or in this case pictures)

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    Y’all just let us fine users on instances where nothing ever happens know how that all plays out.

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    Important note that this is just a community ban, not an instance ban. Mm is not an admin.

    That said, MM has always been a bit trigger happy. This wouldn’t be even noticed if they didn’t moderate so many comms, or if the modlog would automatically conflate all comm bans by one mod into a single entry.

    Anyway, I do find that jumping to call people zionists or nazis at the drop of a hat is not healthy

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    I don’t have much informations about the admin and piefed. Does they generally remove zionist comments and ban zionists users?

    Putting a Palestinian flag means nothing, if Israeli apologist still run free and people rejected Palestinians right to armed resistance

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    Rimus comments in question. Seems like hes very concerned about people defending luminous, less so about the admin of the largest instance being a zionist.

    deserved it, ‘flags in banner’ is pretty tangential and no defense for behavior. mrkaplan is very clearly a zionist and anyone apologizing for him is sus

    I will say I prefer ‘death to zionism’ because it’s the ideology of that ethnostate which should die and is not worth saving. people can learn

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      Hitting exactly the root cause here - rimu defending Kaplan, consistently and disturbingly, while going after Luminous.

      I will say I prefer ‘death to zionism’ because it’s the ideology of that ethnostate which should die and is not worth saving. people can learn

      chef’s kiss, nothing to add.

      Not a complaint about you @Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus BTW, but I think you’d know that. Just commenting on my agreed preferred phrasing.

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    This doesn’t even make sense. How is supporting palestine “emulating a zionist”. Is this mod just an idiot?

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      Rimu went straight to defense of MrKaplan and attacking luminous for being anti-zionist, to the point of Kaplan defederating from anarchist.nexus.

      Kind of a words vs actions thing here. IMO, rimu is firmly in the wrong, but I also see no reason for MM to preventively ban, but not my comm so not my decision.

      • Kind of a words vs actions thing here. IMO, rimu is firmly in the wrong, but I also see no reason for MM to preventively ban, but not my comm so not my decision.

        To add clarification to that, there has been a wave of LW accounts promoting Zionism or just brigading my communities. With that has been a wave of bans (you can check the logs) both reactive and proactive. I know some people don’t like proactive bans, although, honestly it’s unreasonable to expect mods to let shit slide when they see a person they know will cause trouble.

        The fact people harass me here for this doesn’t really help the case against proactive bans. And I assume the reactions I’ll get from here will further reinforce this.

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          Did my comment seem like an attack? I was just saying its not how I like to handle things, but your comm you get the choice.

          • Not at all. I didn’t mean to sound defensive. I’m usually on high alert when I comment here since others have attacked me and the general sentiment on Lemmy is hostile against proactive moderation even when it is needed to keep communities afloat. I just wanted to be clear on why I do things because there are people who do expect mods to let things like this slide. It’s ultimately up to each mod how they run their communities, and it’s also situational. Some communities might not need proactive moderation at all.

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              OK just checking, I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t coming across different than intended

              Everyone has a different threshold for a preemptive ban, to me it depends more on interaction. If there isnt any interaction, to me a ban just gets their attention, so I don’t bother. If there’s some (or interaction outside the community that makes it clear its about to be a problem), thats when I personally take action.

              Again though, everyone can have their own approach. If they dont like it, they can start their own comm - thats what makes the fediverse great.

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        So what you’re saying is that the banning has absolutely nothing to do with anything in Blaze’s post and he’s just either intentionally or ignorantly misdirecting us.

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      The individual in question doesn’t support Palestine, OP added that ‘I have a black friend’-level of nonsense to draw on sympathy.

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          …You believe zionists, the current worst genocidal force on the planet, who have killed over their 80 years far more people than the nazi regime ever did… are not authoritarian?

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            As terroristic and genocidal Israel is, they did not kill as much as the original nazi

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              Palestine: Average of 10k/year for a hundred years, with at least 500k over the last 2.5 years…

              Lebanon: average 5k/year for 60 years

              Egypt: average 1k/year for 20 years

              Iran: average 1k/year for 50 years

              Syria: average 5k/year for 20 years. (incl. kurdish arming (as proven by Trump’s accidental exposure of zionists arming kurds in Iran so it’s not a conspiracy anymore)

              Iraq: 500k-1million over 30 years

              Afghanistan: 1.5mil-2mil over 40 years.

              Rhodesia: 250k-1 million depending on the reporting body

              South Africa: at least 1 million.

              Again I said zionism. Israel is one of the bases of zionism. It’s not even the main base of zionism. There are more zionists in New York than there are in Israel. And this is just the uncontroversial publicly admitted numbers.

              Realistically we can double all of these numbers if we believe their victims, triple if we go with the most extreme estimates and include every single action from every single zionist (british empire kills since wwi as an example)

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                You are whitewashing the united snakes by associating the murder of Iraqis and afghsns to zionism . The usa empire evilness predate israel and zionism.

                Also cite the sources for each figure

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    Lemmy must have been a pretty weak system if it could fall apart this easily.

    Here I was hoping we could do better than Reddit.

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      The Fediverse does not work the same way as IRC.
      Severing the connection between two servers only severs the connection between those two. It does not split the network into two separate networks.

      Everyone else, remains connected to each other just as always, because all messages always travel directly from instance to instance. The only ones affected at all are those two whose connection has been severed.