They say debian is free and has its promise, but Arch has like 2-4 maintainers?

  • abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    2·
    55 minutes ago

    Debian is chosen for Satellites because it is “stable”, that is it doesn’t do major changes like changing the Kernel.

    Arch isn’t for beginners, but it’s a rolling release distro that’s nice and simple but powerful.

  • morbidcactus@lemmy.ca
    5·
    5 hours ago

    I use both, debian on servers and old machines, arch on my desktop. Arch being rough is way overblown in my experience, the install script makes it straightforward to setup and it’s been pretty much painless since I switched to it two years ago, I had experience with debian before that. Both arch and debian have fantastic documentation available.

    Debian and derivatives, in my experience, are really well supported so that’s a plus. Age of packages has never really bothered me and cases where I want bleeding edge there’s options for that.

    Both are solid options and I don’t think you’ll be upset either way, if you can I’d try both.

  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
    3·
    6 hours ago

    I use Arch btw. Arch is amazing, but you need to be willing to learn a few things. No shame in wanting an easier distro that just works.

  • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    231·
    9 hours ago

    Debian is rock solid, there are even more user-friendly distros though. In a few edge-cases it will expect you to know your way around things, however there are a lot of guides for it. Going with this will cause the growth of a mighty white beard!

    Arch Linux will make you cry. If you want to learn how to fix and configure things it’s great (and their wiki arguably is the greatest of all), but their lack of QA and expectation to do that yourself often causes issues. You’ll probably cut your fingers on its bleeding edge. If you want to learn with less bleeding I’d recommend CachyOS these days. I’m certainly not saying this because my computer didn’t boot after updates multiple times. /s

    HOWEVER if you have an Nvidia GPU, first off: I’m so sorry. Secondly, you absolutely (!) should use a distro that takes care of their driver for you. Their drivers are hot steaming garbage that you do not want to meddle with (many distros try their best to do it for you, but often enough it won’t work for some people). See below, Nvidia distros marked with recycling symbol.

    A few other options to consider with noticeable features:

    • Bazzite (♻️): If you mainly play games. User-friendly, most compatible with handhelds next to CachyOS. Takes care of a lot of small things related to gaming.
    • Fedora: If you want modern features on a very stable system. Very good ecosystem. Basically the other stable workhorse next to Debian. Will spawn a nice hat on your head, m’lady.
    • OpenSuse: Also very stable, best distro for those concerned about US influence (it’s strongly EU-based). Tumbleweed arguably most stable rolling-release distro (newest system software) with a great graphical settings’ tool YaST (future unknown, unfortunately). Leap is rock-solid but slow, meant more for Office PCs and Enterprise users. After installing this you’ll suddenly start talking german.
    • Linux Mint: If you want things to just work with the flattest learning curve possible for former Windows victims. Helpful tips for Ubuntu usually apply and that weird software offering you a manual download for Ubuntu will just work.
    • ElementaryOS: Very good for users used to MacOS, probably flattest learning curve for them. Great accessibility! Not as feature rich as others (their whole desktop is made in-house, so it’s very cohesive but a lot of work for them), but what they have is very well tested.
    • ZorinOS (Core): Also very good. Most likely the one with the biggest software selection from the start (comes with both Snap and Flatpak pre-configured). Probably the one you’d eventually find on some school computer.

    And three others interesting if you might buy new hardware soon (damn, you rich):

    • TuxedoOS (♻️): Default OS on devices from Tuxedo Computers (EU). Works on any machine and is a really nice distro in general.
    • SlimbookOS (♻️): Default OS for Slimbook (EU) devices. Also nice.
    • Pop_OS! (♻️): Default OS for System76 (US) devices. They’re currently developing a whole new desktop environment (Cosmic), so their normal release hangs a little bit behind. It’s okay though. Be aware it’s from a US company (not just maintainers, but commercial entity). Fucked up Linus Tech Tips once.
    • Barbarian@sh.itjust.works
      5·
      6 hours ago

      [Arch’s] wiki arguably is the greatest of all

      100% agree. Even as a Fedora user, in the rare occasion I have some obscure issue the Arch wiki is a godsend. Even though I’ve never actually used Arch, I’m still extremely grateful for the work they do on documenting every little thing for desktop Linux. A lot of that info is applicable for all Linux desktop distros.

    • The Stoned Hacker@lemmy.world
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      5 hours ago

      I will push back on this a bit because Debian is great, but point release distros like Debian that focus on stability can be incredibly behind on important updates that include features users will want. I personally recommend Fedora to start because imo it’s the best of both worlds for new penguins and greybeards alike.

    • CCMan1701A@startrek.website
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      6 hours ago

      I didn’t game, but use Bazzite. It has worked on every system I’ve installed it on, even an old AMD A6. I just feel safe in there, but it’s not perfect. And the distro is large.

    • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
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      8 hours ago

      This is such a fantastic answer. I wish stuff like this was the top search result for these questions.

      I will note that perhaps Linux Mint should get a ♻️, since it comes with a very simple “Driver Manager” utility that detects your GPU and allows you to select the appropriate proprietary driver for it. The onboarding welcome program directs you to open it.

      Edit: demo video: https://youtu.be/12FKdE0ZRc4

      • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        2·
        7 hours ago

        I only marked those who bundle the driver with the image since that way they can treat is as core system package and add the necessary deep system configurations + helper scripts straight form the start. There are in fact quite a few distros who use such a helper tool (I think Zorin has one too?), but even with their best effort the driver still causes issues so god damn often or just fails to install for weird reasons. Additionally there might be issues after updates. Distros that integrate them from the start might add a few extra scripts to mitigate update problems, perhaps ensure Secure Boot still works, make specific changes to Wayland due to Nvidia being really bad with it by default, set up everything for hybrid graphics, ecetera.

        My brother just threw out an RTX 3060 because of all the issues (in that case on OpenSuse) and I had so. many. issues. In the last 10 years with all kinds of green GPUs that I can only in good conscious recommend distros with pre-installed drivers to Nvidia users, and to avoid that company like the Plague.

  • Barbarian@sh.itjust.works
    48·
    14 hours ago

    If you know vaguely what you’re doing or are willing to learn, you can go with whatever and it’ll be fine.

    Personally not a big fan of debian because they tend to be slower and more conservative on updates. Arch is a bit more technical, but very customizable.

    I’m personally a big fan of Fedora. Software updated quickly enough to have all the bells and whistles, slow enough to not get cut by bleeding edge software.

      • stuner@lemmy.world
        14·
        12 hours ago

        No, Debian is typically quite a bit older than even the Ubuntu LTS. E.g. they currently still don’t ship a Nvidia driver that supports the 50 series GPUs.

      • Otter@lemmy.ca
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        11 hours ago

        Slower on updates, not slow to run. Slower on updates is referring to how it takes longer for new features / software to be shipped out for you to download. Debian usually prioritizes machines that chug along for a long time without anything breaking, rather than adding new stuff

        You’re right that it’s not slow to run. It is small and fast

      • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
        2·
        9 hours ago

        Performance differences between distros tend to be negligible. Unless you have a specific use case and a distro specifically tuned for that, you will hardly notice any difference.

      • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        7·
        10 hours ago

        The lack of PPA support might bite you though. For newcomers I’d strongly recommend staying with the standard Mint (Cinnamon) version, any reason not to is highly technical and more of an issue for the maintainers.

  • Slashme@lemmy.world
    2·
    8 hours ago

    Depends a bit on what you want to do.

    Debian stable tends to have rather old versions of everything, but Debian testing (currently codename Forky) is really nice. I installed it a few months ago on my ThinkPad, and it’s running beautifully.

    I’m not in it for the uptime, so I shut down whenever I’m done and when I shut down, I do an update / upgrade, and there’s always something being upgraded. I’ve had zero issues with stability or performance.

    I have no experience with Arch, so I can’t really compare.

      • Enkrod@feddit.org
        4·
        10 hours ago

        Let me expose my lack of knowledge and experience in this.

        Afaik. NixOS is completely build from configs, thus easy to VCS, and you can try stuff and then just roll back like nothing happened… what’s the difference to snapshots and why is it sadistic/masochistic but worth it?

        Give me your NixOS pitch.

        • sasek@szmer.info
          4·
          8 hours ago

          Snapshots work in filesystem level. NixOS rollbacks work in system configuration level. NixOS has steep learning curve due to the nix language and fragmented documentation but once you get grip of it, it works great. Either way, you netted the days of suffering to set everything up :)

  • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    163·
    14 hours ago

    Is your hardware ten years old or more?

    Do you want a system made up of software that is on average 3 years old?

    Do you want absolutely ridiculous stability for the uptime memes?

    Are you a fan of the idea that every design decision should be done by a committee of theoretically democratically chosen developers but is actually just whoever wants the job because there is never any real transparency or motion about when the meetings are, much less when elections are?

    Does the idea of your operating system being compatible not because its good but because it’s just the largest base thanks to corporate investment make you moist?

    Then pick Debian.

    If you answered no to literally any of those options then go ahead and pick an Arch flavor, or Arch itself.

      • mikenurre@lemmy.world
        6·
        12 hours ago

        Linux '26er here. I tried a few and CachyOS is now my jam. I’m way too new to offer true insight, but as a new convert, Cachy has good video/gaming support and all the core features I need to keep exploring. 100% recommend a day or two to try it out.

        • determinist@kbin.earth
          2·
          11 hours ago

          I run Cachyos (KDE), for 10 months now, on a 13 year old HP workstation. Daily updates. Best distro I’ve used (previously used Mint, SuSE, Debian, Ubuntu), wouldn’t go back to any of the others.

        • Otter@lemmy.ca
          1·
          11 hours ago

          I’m also fairly new, and one big benefit of CachyOS is the sensible defaults. You get to start with the modern way of doing things instead of having to discover them slowly.

          micro instead of nano for example

  • helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world
    2·
    9 hours ago

    Arch is a challenge, be prepared to spend more time learning and tinkering than using your computer for the first few months (and forever). It’s not impossible, but you will most likely have to reinstall a few times as you learn. If thats what you enjoy, great. Go for a distro made for the lay person like Mint or Bazzite. There’s a backup program called Timeshift, it will replace windows snapshots and can help you recover from mistakes without having to start over.

    If you put your home drive on a separate partition/drive it will be easier to distro hop as you try different ones. Still, make sure your data is backed up, ideally put the backup on an external drive that you can unplug while installing new a OS.

    • Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      3·
      9 hours ago

      Idk, I never reinstalled anything and just installed a bunch of packages and followed some configuration guides for Arch and the respective packages. Took probably 5 hours or so to get the whole thing set up to a place where I could use it for 95% of things I usually do, which is gaming and browsing.