And again a bunch of puritan assholes have the need to ensure that, like they themselves, nobody will enjoy sex freely in the way that they want to. It’s always a tiny group that just had to ruin it for everyone, and then they’ll spin it as “but won’t anyone think of the children!” or similar bullshit like that.
Fuck these right wing assholes
What are the purported benefits of this law?
Are they just assuming that paid online sex work is bad and should be stopped?
Who fucking cares what consenting adults do in private in separate locations via the magic of the interweb.
IDK where this fixation in regulating other people’s sexual life comes from, I assume it’s from the Middle-east religions?
When asked the question “who is the victim in this supposed crime?” they will tell you it’s the exploited women (is there male prostitution? IDK), but those are supposed victims (even if 99.99% of prostitutes were forced into it, you’d still have to prove exploitation in each specific case - that’s how justice works in every other matter except this one). They won’t be able to explain (if not with, often made-up, statistical arguments) why they don’t treat women (and men) that are exploited in different businesses the same way (think, migrants forced to work in slavelike conditions in agriculture).
The sad truth is, those moralists are just more interested in dictating other people’s sexual behaviour than they are interested in human rights.
It’s worth mentioning that, besides the various semi-bans on prostitution (which do irritate me, but whom - in all honesty - I can live with), this unhealthy sexual fixation of our societies is what gifts us the marginalization (when it’s not persecution) of LGBT people.
I assume it’s from the Middle-east religions?
Your assumption is both false and seems racist. How the heck do you get the idea that Swedish sexual morals would be defined by people thousands of kilometres away?
Sweden has a long lasting history of being more strict around alocohol, drugs and prostitution. Sexual morals in Europe are predominantly shaped by the dominant christian church, be it catholic or protestant. Both the catholic and protestants are their own makings of Europe and during the crusades European Christians often slaughtered orthodox Christian.
Muslim countries have been more progressive on issues such as abortions and reproductive healthcare and partly seen a regression since the christian colonizers. Prostitution has always been illegal under Muslim law, but it also has been illegal in Christian Europe and legality is more the exception than the rule even today. Again the idea that this would somehow be the “fault” of “Middle-east religions” is absurd. This is some 1500 years “home made” European stances.
seems racist
Wow. Please define “racist” for me, and show how it has anything to do with religion.
How the heck do you get the idea that Swedish sexual morals would be defined by people thousands of kilometres away?
Ok, you’ve just misunderstood me (no, this time it really wasn’t me being unclear, sorry).
The “middle east religions” are Judaism, Christianity and Islam (I listed them in chronological order, please don’t be triggered again). Is the expression not in use where you live? Even so, how the hell did you think I could mean Islam? Why would I do it in such a roundabout way and using plural?
You are the first person i came across referring to them as “Middle East religions”. This also seems quite strange, as Western Christian dominated countries do not refer to the Abrahamic religions as such. Then again what became of Christian in various places of the world has little to do with the region.
Or do you consider modern beer to be Iraqi? Your computer as Babylonian text editor? Do you call the cash in your wallet Chinese money? Are the British just Saxons to you and the Germans, Czech, Polish and other Slavic people are just Indians anyways?
You are the first person i came across referring to them as “Middle East religions”.
Fair enough :) I’ll take that as an apology for having labeled me as racists for no reason.
For future reference, you might also hear “desert religions” (yeah, it’s not like all the deserts in the world are there) or “the three monotheist religions” (yeah, I know those are not the only ones): it means the same thing.
Then again what became of Christian in various places of the world has little to do with the region.
Yeah but the view on prostitution is shared (by and large) in the three religions we are talking about: it’s not a Christian-only thing and it’s not something that developed in Europe alone (well, as far as I know: we are still commenting on what I referred to as an assumption - ie. I’m not 100% sure about this).
Or do you consider modern beer to be Iraqi?
I could certainly say “IDK where beer comes from, I assume it’s from Mesopotamia?” though?
I’ll leave it to you to re-read what I wrote originally and find the flaw if this last comment of yours.
In reality, I guess I just made you angry… I’m Sorry about that, but “racist” is one of the very few things I don’t allow people to call me, so I took off my gloves.
Meanwhile in Belgium: Belgium’s sex workers get maternity leave and pensions under world-first law
Under a new law in Belgium - the first of its kind in the world - […] Sex workers will be entitled to official employment contracts, health insurance, pensions, maternity leave and sick days. Essentially, it will be treated like any other job.
Sex work was decriminalised in Belgium in 2022 and is legal in several countries including Germany, Greece, the Netherlands and Turkey.
I hate the fact that there’s sexually frustrated people who are trying to create laws regarding sexuality.
“I’m not happy until you’re not happy.”
What you hate is organized religion. Hate the source, not the symptom of that infection.
Very correct, In most cases at least.
I just want to make sure nobody gives them a pass because of their religion, which has no place in politics anyways.
Gonna have an unpopular take here, but pornography and sex work under our current system shouldn’t be celebrated as a “bastion of freedom”, given how it’s selling access to one’s body and sexuality as a product. Even if they agree to it consensually, the choice happens in a world where money decides what people can or can’t do, if one is going to survive or not. This makes the concept of “real consent” complicated, because the need of money, much like the need of food or essential goods can force people into doings they wouldn’t freely choose if survival wasn’t on the line.
Given this, one could definitely consider it commodified rape - it’s not necessarily violent like forced rape, but it’s still shaped by money, power, and pressure in a system where people’s bodies get turned into things to be bought.
The law does suck ass and shouldn’t be supported though, the issue stems with a system where our survival depends on money (with selling your body being a way to get by) and not individual morals. I fully agree with Yidit when he says that it’ll just cause sex work to become more dangerous by moving it underground.
