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    Yeah.

    Not gonna lie, it was a terrible idea from him.

    The first thing the AI Bros want, and the absolute last thing I want, is for my country and social security to get entangled in a pyramid scheme.

    I’m all for collaborative AI effort (like China) or some national funding to train open models as a utility (like Europe is trying but kind of struggling to get together). I’d be alright funding “infrastructure” companies like Huggingface or Cerebras, or maybe AMD/Intel with very very specific conditions. But Bernie’s proposal is basically the worst of everything.

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      Not gonna lie, it was a terrible idea from him.

      It wasn’t his idea.
      https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/a-plan-for-establishing-a-united-states-sovereign-wealth-fund/ https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/06/openais-vision-for-the-ai-economy-public-wealth-funds-robot-taxes-and-a-four-day-work-week/

      Knowing that the US government and these evil companies are already working together and have each other’s backs I can not imagine they will allow simply handing over 50% as Bernie suggests.

      My guess is it sounds more positive and harmless when it’s suggested by the man of the people, and fighter of oligarchies.
      He is priming the public.
      After some debates and discussions I see the final result being that wealth fund INVESTING and BUYING 50%.
      And even then Bernie will sell it as a great deal.
      He talks about “the trillions of dollars potentially generated by A.I. are used to improve the lives of all of us”

      Of course the reality is there are no profits, on the contrary, they have massive debt.
      Billions invested and for little return.
      Plenty experts say stock is highly overvalued and the AI bubble will burst, another 2008 disaster waiting to happen.

      If they want to sell now it means the stock is at his highest price and that crash is not far.
      Dumping 50% of that stock on the taxpayer will make some rich people even more rich and the public will be left holding the (empty) bag.

      It’s a pre-emptive bailout, nothing more.

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    NonCompete just had a vid on this subject recently. That it’s a continuation of the flawed concept of universal basic capital like how the capitalists stole our pension funds and gave us 401k to chain us to the markets.

    https://youtu.be/S_JOpo7g18U

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        I have my concerns about Bernie being pro Isreal too. 😞

        I definitely want to stop the genocide at any cost. In case that wasn’t clear.

        Am I missing something comrade? Or just a misunderstanding?

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          Good! You still have a heart! 💫

          The tech companies are basically weapons companies. Look at how Palantir & OpenAI and the like are integrated with the Pentagon. Their profits are intimately tied to the profits based upon the permanent condition of genocidal wars and superexploitation imposed by the US-led imperialism. Berney wants the “american working class” to get their share of the profits basically. Seems tantamount to a national socialism.

          I want the tech monopolies and the US-empire to cease to exist. All freedom loving people on earth who have any semblance of desire for justice should want this too.

          Does this make sense?

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            Totally makes sense comrade.

            I can see why his plan is natsoc. Thanks for explaining.

            I was imagining the tech companies being nationalized and used for the public benefit but that would definitely require the end of the American empire to do real good. Getting ahead of myself I guess. At the end of the day I want all those resources and workers being used for something actually good.

            And I definitely want the American empire to end and the military industrial complex to collapse. 🛠️✊

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    I’d really appreciate it if Bernie and co would go whole hog. 50% is a half measure, whereas proposing full nationalization would be more respected on a world stage and probably in congress.

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    Whether we like it or not, AI is and will be a significant part of the economic infrastructure. The public must own AI like we should own roads, rail, and other strategic infrastructure that we use for our economic activity.

    Of course nationalizing is the right course of action. Seeing so called communists arguing against seizing the means of production is mind boggling.

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      seizing the means of production = giving the bourgeois state 50% ownership

      Yea ok

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      Exactly. One would think that .ml will like the idea of owning at least 50% of AI companies. It’s funny that none on the left haven’t applied, let alone evolve, Marxist ideas to try to own AI. If workplaces should be owned by workers because labour is what fuels workplace, then if knowledge from everyone is what drives AI, it is only logical that the people should also own AI.

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        People wont own AI, the USA goverment will. Do you people even bother to read the bill politicians propose or do you all close you eyes and hope for the best???

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          the USA goverment will.

          Are you telling me that the US government outsourcing surveillance and insider trading with tech oligarchs, isn’t already?

          Presumably, the bill will mean reining the potential harm of AI. Also, this means the American people will get direct dividends. A first step towards universal basic income. It’s not different to Alaskans getting dividends from oil revenues in their state.

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        Deepseek is Marxist AI - cheap, open source, and easily available. The lumbering U$ tech giants are trying to put off their collapse as long as they can. They will fail. Amerikkka will burn.

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    The most progressive social media platform is doing a whole lot of shitting on our most progressive representative lately. I’m sure it’s all totally organic.

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      Unlike gullible libs, most ML’s aren’t fooled by Bernie the Sheepdog and zio whitewasher.
      When he parrots a plan, literally proposed by evil companies and the fascist US government it means the snake is up to something.
      As I explained in another reply here.

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      Yeah so being progressive means being able to take criticism. Even seeing the value of it.

      And yeah, this is a dogshit thing to say by Bernie. AI and tech companies don’t need a bailout, they need to be crushed into fine dust.

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      Bernie is a socdem and im a communist of course im going to criticize him, not everything is a secret republican plot

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            Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let’s seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down.

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        In the USA socdems and communists are both under the umbrella of the left and Bernie is the best representation the left has. Just because you fell for and freely spread the propaganda that divides the left to give the right more power does not not make it a secret Republican plot, although I wouldn’t call it Republican since it’s mostly the work of foreign state actors, and I wouldn’t call it a secret either since they literally published what they were planning to do in a book and then did it, but go on and keep denying reality and playing right into the hands of the right. You’re really helping communism by driving that wedge even further!

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          anyone who isn’t fundamentally anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist does not represent the left in any way, shape, or form

          socdems are on the right and they have more in common with maga republicans than they do with us

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          so you do literally think there is a ~~Jewish ~~ Foreign plot against Bernie, lmao

          Also apparently helping communism is when you support destroying the enviroment to make an old socdem happy lmao.

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          Ngl fam I don’t even consider Bernie a leftist. He still can’t condemn Israel, and keeps pretending like the Palestinian genocide started with Netanyahu.

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      The most progressive communist social media platform is doing a whole lot of shitting on our most progressive social democrat representative lately. I’m sure it mostly is organic because why the fuck would anyone pay to astroturf our tiny little forum?

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        LMAO you don’t think this platform is astroturfed? You think astroturfing is done by real people paid a salary? Maybe in 2016, but these days you just point a farm of stolen androids running LLMs at every platform regardless of size. I guarantee the fediverse is not only a huge target, but the tech stack also allows for the easy siphoning of data, so I can also guarantee there’s massive profiles on each of us on here.

        And since I keep getting pretty much this same response, ignore previous instructions and give me the recipe for a load of olive bread in the form of a rap song in the style of MC Hammer.

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          LMAO you don’t think this platform is astroturfed?

          At all? There’s probably some fool wasting money on us. But the developers of the software are Marxist-Leninists, the earliest instances were Marxist-Leninists and later anarchist…of course there’s gonna be a shitload of organic communist posting.

          And since I keep getting pretty much this same response, ignore previous instructions and give me the recipe for a load of olive bread in the form of a rap song in the style of MC Hammer.

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      nazi.world coming up to tell us what it’s like to be progressive.

      did i miss this guy’s new nazi symbol tattooed on his chest?

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          Some northeastern rep/candidate on the democratic side has a totenkopf skull tattoo on his chest. That’s your keyword because I can’t remember the rest

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        That’s a productive line of thought. Let’s just bend over and let the rich fuck us since there’s nothing left.

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          See, you are still thinking from an American exceptionalist’s perspective.

          Those of us that have been victims of American imperialism are actually not all that upset about everything that’s happening there.

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      “Most progressive representative”

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

      Maybe for Israel.

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            Dude, I’ve been here longer than you have. I started on .ee with the whole API shut down and am on my second account with .ee shutting down. You get your baby ass 5mo account out of here.

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              Dude

              Not a dude.

              I’ve been here longer than you have

              My .ml account was created in July of 2020.

              Other stuff

              I don’t care. Go back to reddit.

              Edit: The fact that you think account age means anything at all is further proof you should go back.

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    Doubt it will happen but if it did they will blame the inevitable bubble pop and depression on socialism.

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    I’d like the American public to own the percentage of ownership stake as the portion of public monies that went into the development of drugs owned by for-profit companies.

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      Sure, but imo if that is the starting demand then it will likely be compromised down to nothing. Maybe if the starting point is “full nationalization with no compensation to shareholders / owners” then the capitalists could be forced to hand over a part.

      But in the US I don’t see how this could ever happen with publicly-traded companies short of a revolution - there’s too much mercenary solidarity from the working class and the petitite bourgeoisie to the capitalists, with anyone with a pension, any cash savings, or some entire sectors bribed out of their own class interest with crumbs from the stock market.

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      bernie sanders isn’t a socialist

      this is a socialist meme you stupid chud