• marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
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    Ukraine is out of missile defense capabilities and Russia is likely out of resources to continue playing nice. As soon as Luhansk and Dontesk are secure I imagine the plan is a few Ukrainian cities will be wiped out as a show of force and then negotiations can start.

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      and Russia is likely out of resources to continue playing nice

      You call what they’ve been doing so far ‘playing nice’?

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      I love how you guys keep declaring the war all but over, and then Ukraine keeps kicking the shit out of you because they didn’t get the memo.

      You know how you guys could actually play nice? Fuck off back to your own country. Maybe then Ukraine will stop kicking the shit out of you.

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        I’m not “you guys.” I’m an outside observer that believes both Ukraine and Russia as stated need to be dissolved an actual democratic worker-led governments take their place. But this is literally the entire western world versus Russia, and slowly the western world is losing interest and pursuing other imperialist ventures, so naturally Ukraine will run out of men and materials as the west is objectively stopping support.

        I know you people have a script you have to follow anytime anyone criticizes Ukraine, but can we skip to the part where you either block me or stop responding if you’re just going to go through the exact same script you people have been using since 1991?

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          both Ukraine and Russia as stated need to be dissolved an actual democratic worker-led governments take their place

          Hey, an actually somewhat decent take.

          But still, in the meantime I’m going to be against the invading warmonger more than I’m against the one getting invaded.

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            You haven’t yet. You’ve made up a version of me based on the script you people were given, and you’ve criticized that.

            Vladimir Putin, as a far-right capitalist dictator needs to be tortured and killed. Every single member of the Russian state in power since 1991 needs to be found, tortured and killed. The Russia state itself, being an imperialist amalgamation of disparate states and people, should be fully dissolved, and its power given back to the people.

            Volodymyr Zelenskyy, as a far-right capitalist dictator needs to be tortured and killed. Every single member of the Ukrainian state currently in power needs to be found, tortured, and killed. The Ukrainian state itself, being an amalgamation of disparate states and people, should be fully dissolved, and its power given back to the people.

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              The […] state itself, being an amalgamation of disparate states and people, should be fully dissolved

              Why does this “marxism” of yours sound so much like fascist discourse with its dislike of multinational states? And since when are federations bad, what’s up with that?

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                Why does this “marxism” of yours sound so much like fascist discourse with its dislike of multinational states?

                Name one single reference to fascism, or fascist state, or fascist propgandist quote that ever suggests dissolution of a state.

                And since when are federations bad, what’s up with that?

                Federations are fine, neither Ukraine nor Russia is a federation. Federations are voluntary and can be left at any time. The last time a state tried to leave either Ukraine or Russia they got invaded and bombed by their ‘federation.’ Because ‘it wasn’t really democracy,’ and ‘the vote was rigged.’

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                  Name one single reference to fascism, or fascist state, or fascist propgandist quote that ever suggests dissolution of a state.

                  Fascists who escaped from Nazi Croatia in 1945 regularly published articles about abolishing socialist Yugoslavia and reestablishing Croatian independence.

                  Federations are fine, neither Ukraine nor Russia is a federation.

                  Isn’t Russia literally defined as a federation?

                  a state tried to leave either Ukraine

                  Since when were Crimea or Donbas “states”?

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              needs to be

              Lemme guess, it’s not gonna be you doing all this.

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        I’m sorry you’re still deluded that the US is a super power or Europe can switch to a manufacturing economy fast enough to replace the entire lack of all US missile defense which has been pulled out of all of Europe for its idiotic war with Iran.

        Maybe I’m wrong and Russia somehow fucks up the literal golden opportunity that Israel presented it with, but give Ukraine literally has already taken multiple missile salvos with zero interceptions since the zionist war on Iran started…

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          You can say the US won’t support europe anymore. But you can’t deny they are still a super power:

          1. They have a lot of nukes
          2. They spend sooo much money and resources on their military
          3. They have a very big pool of highly educated people

          China becoming a superpower does not make the US less of a super power.

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            Well … Yes and no. Look at the war with iran. They have no control, no upper hand, no strong negotion position. (And I have very strong doubts on the big pool of educated)

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            1. They say they have a lot of nukes, the way Trump has acted regarding nukes suggests the someone let slip to him the arsenal is way lower than publicly reported. Also the DoE has been in the hands of cut and sell people for last the twelve years continuously. It’s not unlikely many nukes were taken offline to make their department look less wasteful.

            2. Expense does not buy quality, hence the shortage of Patriot 3 missiles, and the failure of the US to protect Israel despite sinking literally the entirety of their military into just doing that for several months. They couldn’t even stop Iran. They had to expose top-secret sound-based kill technology just to capture the democratically elected leader of Venezula. They had to flee Afghanistan and are considering fleeing Iraq.

            3. The US really, really doesn’t have a big pool of educated people. 54% of US adults are functionally illiterate by international standards, 21% are totally illiterate. The exceedingly few home-grown highly educated people have been taking external jobs more and more frequently for the last 30 years. First in Europe and Japan, now in Europe and China. They restrict the number of doctors allowed to graduate each year, so per capita they produce fewer doctors than Cuba, and per capita nearly every single European country produces more PhD graduates. But even without comparisons a new post-grad degree holder in the US is 33% likely to leave the US instead of working for a US company. Even beyond that test scores have been gradually and consistently declining across the US since 2003 with ‘no child left behind,’ so there’s not even a generation of geniuses to fill the spots.

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              54% of US adults are functionally illiterate by international standards, 21% are totally illiterate.

              It’s not nice to make things up and/or reinvent what words mean. No, 21% of Americans is not “totally illiterate”.

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                  PIAAC defines literacy as “the ability to understand, evaluate, use and engage with written texts to participate in society, to achieve one’s goals, and to develop one’s knowledge and potential”

                  This is not the commonplace definition of literacy. Open any dictionary you want and you won’t find anything even close to this definition. (E.g. Cambridge Dictionary) Open any work on the history of language and writing and you won’t see this definition. Ask random people in the street what the word means and they will simply say it’s the ability to read and write. What the link provides is a secondary, far more specific meaning that was invented in a thoroughly literate society where the traditional meaning of illiteracy has become irrelevant because everyone is already literate.

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                    So in order to get a ‘one up’ on the person you disagree with, you’re purposefully misreading a definition and insist the simpler definition is more correct because… you think it says something different?

                    I fear you might be a part of the problem.

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        Sure, they always have that option, but they don’t have the missile manufacturing to waste ammunition like that whereas Russia does. If Russia wants to, they can eliminate most civilian centers in Ukraine without any resistance, the same cannot be said for Ukraine, as Russia still puts out more 40N6 missiles per month than Ukraine is able to obtain missiles so most of Ukraine’s strikes would be intercepted.

        It’s not a MAD situation anymore now that Ukraine has lost its main shield. Plus, you know, Russia will nuke Ukraine if they manage to do any real damage.

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          I think that if russia would go to far even China will not back them anymore. Russia needs china for almost everything, so Putin won’t cross that line.

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            Maybe, but if Ukraine struck Moscow and actually killed non-military targets, no one in the world be able to reasonably blame them a retaliatory strike. Every single nuclear power has some variant of a first use doctrine where if they feel like their people are in danger serious danger or their state is under threat they’ll use nukes even in a non-nuclear conflict.

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          It’s Moscow and St. Petersburg that Ukrane can hit that would possibly wake the Russian civilians up. Gently slide from military targets to dual civilian/ military, like airports, ports, bridges. Then onto any government buildings. Then power substations, etc. Not that they should do this as it has more of a chance of building nationalism in Russia. Ukraine’s current strategy of hitting oil refineries and military manufacturing is clearly the right call, even in the face of Russia’s war crimes.

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          All offensive war is a crime. Russia started this and could stop whenever it wanted to. This is all on Russia. Anyone supporting the Russian government as they attack Ukraine deserves to die.