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Or if you’re me,
yay -Syuand wait 4 fucking hours (Because you barely ever remember to do it).Doing
yay --noconfirm & shutdownwhenever I turn my machine off has been the solution for meI do update my Arch each time it boots. Like a tiny tradition to me.
Just
yaywould suffice
Update before upgrade you nonce
C’mon, it’s Debian! Obsolete anyway. Update today, upgrade in a week, not like things gonna change. Perhaps the man forgot the upgrade a week ago, upgraded, and then decided to double-check there’s nothing new anyway. Right?
dnf updateapt has the added irk of being split into update/upgrade plus apt-get for scripts.
And the default apt search sucks lol
…and while it’s running I’ll check my email and post something on lemmy!
edit: literally just did this to make sure it would work. Tbh it was a little balky.
choco upgrade allNot a built-in, of course, but chocolatey gets you Linux-like package manager behavior on Windows. With it you can run headless software installs and automatically update software. It’s great for remote/VM management.
winget upgrade --allscoop update
I used chocolatey for a while on windows. I did like it, but due to some of the fussiness with it I found it was just better to put up with crappy .exe files
I just want to share that last semester, the Windows podium computer we used decided randomly to update during a student presentation. It did not help their nerves, but I did turn it into a chance to evangelize Linux.
And no, they can’t use their own laptop, the connections to the podium computer, and thus the projector, use VGA…
Not that it matters much but isn’t there cheap adapters to/from VGA?
Yes but it’s generally easier and less prone to issues to just open their PowerPoint (or really, Google sheets) on the podium since I’m already using it. I’m sure the admin uses adapters as their excuse not to update the hardware though… (even if they are still using Win 11 on decades old computers).
Honestly, I would prefer if a video projector wasn’t tossed as garbage if you can just buy a cheap adapter and put it in a box next to the podium.
We have enough electronic waste as it is!
Yes, same; the real solution is Linux podium with an adapter in every room by default. But that’s not happening anytime soon, lol.
Technically it’s not the projector with the issue either, the podium is more or less a very fancy hub with a monitor built in. I feel like the adapter could just be built in if necessary, lol.
Update first, then upgrade
It runs so much faster if you do upgrade first \s
Good catch. Haven’t been using apt in some time.
sudo pacman -Syuyaywhich yay yay: aliased to paru
Is it even
apt-getstill? thought they changed over toaptlong ago andapt-getis just a symlink for legacy reasons.At least that’s what I last read… (speaking as someone also loving candy) .
apt is a wrapper over the apt- binaries (apt-search apt-cache etc).
aptis meant more for user interaction andapt-getis more stable and more for scripting. Butapt-getis often used in online tutorials because it doesn’t really change.I think it wasn’t for APT but I once worked for a business with a lot of RHEL, the script that was updating hundreds of servers was using the user wrapper instead of the binaries. A warning was displayed in the script to warn not to use the wrapper for scripts.
I warned my team leader of the issue and was completely ignored and was said that it was an issue for the team that made the script in the first place.
I gave up.
A few weeks later, the poorly designed script botched a major update on hundred of servers because the wrapper had a tiny change and the update script didn’t handle it well.
It’s insane to me how much money a business can waste for stupid shit like that. The devs warned us not to use their wrapper to script on, the linux team did it anyway, my warning was ignored, many hours of engineers work was wasted fixing the chaos that ensued.
Apt is the wrong example here.
Me: update && upgrade
Apt:
#### 25%Apt: dialogue with kernel news
Apt:
##### 30%Apt: dialogue for reconfiguring abc
Apt: dialogue for reconfiguring xyz
Apt: want me to overwrite your critical config? yes/no/show differences
Apt:
################# 100%Me: reboot
PC: No Display Manager, no wifi, emergency shell
Honestly, the only troubles I have had beside non-working Nvidia drivers was the dependency-resolver taking forever before aborting due to too many unresolved dependencies. full-resolver takes care of that.
Dialogues? Yes to inform you that some services won’t work until a restart & you are currently using them (e.g. X)
Warning about overwriting config files? Only if you are an advanced enough user to have modified them by hand, and if the update requires a new base configuration.
This never happens to me when running distros based on Debian stable or Ubuntu, unless it’s time for the major version update every 0.5-3 years. Even then, these days everything just keeps working after the reboot. Issues only really arise when you start messing with Debian sid, testing or frankendebian/frankenubuntu.
never happenwd to me
sudo apt upgrade -U -yFor those who are confident in their system setup
sudo apt update && sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt autoremove -yFirst thing I do on a new system using apt is aliasing this to “UpdateSystem” in .bashrc
sudo aptitude safe-upgrade“Fun” fact: Windows is finally just now, in the year of our lord 2026, trying to release some updates as “live”. As in not requiring reboot.
It’s going better than you’d expect, but still far worse than they have any excuse for.
thats only if it actually downloads and installs. our enterprise windows installs like to take 5-10 attempts to actually get the software onto the computer. “Install failed. retry?”
Odd, most companies don’t have problems with them.
Not exactly correct. They are releasing their hot patch service more broadly. These are updates that would normally require a restart no longer need to be restarted.
Just like Linux though, if you didn’t want to restart after updating you never really were forced to.
Linux noob here. Just upgraded hardware and reinstalled Windows and Linux on the gaming computers and even though I’m a complete Linux beginner, 9 out of 10 software issues were with windows! I couldn’t believe a gazzilion dollar company with thousands of employees still couldn’t get it right?
Until Google neglects to update Google Earth and your entire system update gets hung on a no-digest error so you have to either uninstall Google Earth or run a custom update command that skips it every single time. 😩
